#450011 - 08/27/08 09:40 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: Kanektok Kid]
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As opposed to the Pantsuit Brigade at the Dem Convention?
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#450012 - 08/27/08 09:40 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: Kanektok Kid]
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I suspect there are a lot of the "Both candidates suck, I'm voting for Paul, and so should you!" folks out there who will be casting their vote for McLame, and hoping that you'll take their advice and vote for Paul instead of Obama.
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#450021 - 08/27/08 10:09 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: Todd]
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http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2008/08/uhm-bob-barr-on.htmlIt's still August, so it's still the season for the weird stuff to make news. This one's sort of funny. 'Rule of Law'..............and we all know how Barr feels about that term, and it's meaning.............  He'll likely spend all of his campaign money fighting this one in court.
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#450028 - 08/27/08 10:20 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: Kanektok Kid]
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Interesting conversation here about recent polling numbers from another board I hang around on. http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=147&f=1367&t=2861870&stm=35625195
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#450032 - 08/27/08 10:35 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: Dan S.]
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O is assured a bump in the polls during the convention and for a period of time after that. When the R's have their convention Mc's numbers will surge. Pardon my use of that particular word. If O doesn't get a bump at least in the teens he's in trouble.
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#450034 - 08/27/08 10:42 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: Dan S.]
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Yeah it's usually not reported nightly like tracking polls are..........  Obama's path to 270 is much easier than McCain's is. Much easier. He will likely take all Kerry states, and then............  ..............CO, NM, and NV ....Mo and OH will be interesting, but Obama doesn't need to win either of them, and McCain can't lose either of them........... Florida will likely not matter, other than to sink McCain. Because if he McCain loses any one of the combo of MO, OH, FL..........He's finished without a big steal from a blue state,that's not likely to occur. ( Texas where he isn't on the ballot and missed the deadline according to Bob Barr............  ........thus not eligable to run..............so maybe it's over already...............;).....................Obama missed the deadline also, BTW, but doesn't need the state) Virginia...................
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#450035 - 08/27/08 10:43 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: Hankster]
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O. If O doesn't get a bump at least in the teens he's in trouble. Now that's some funny stuff Hank................... thumbs: I mean, I missed that in the last months Spectator............. 
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#450037 - 08/27/08 10:48 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: Kanektok Kid]
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The polls always favor the dem about 7 if the dem isn't winning +7 he is losing. The South decides the pres what 106 of the 270? or is it more? That is why no one who ever speaks against guns wins. The South trusts other Southerners i.e. Clinton, Carter or if not southern then they like war heros. Just a FYI.
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#450039 - 08/27/08 11:01 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: blue water pro]
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Virginia is about the only southern state Obama needs, and that is important in some, but not all scenarios I was referring to. Other than that the south can be left undisturbed to continue the long years of inbreeding, no doubt contributing to their series of poor choices over the last recent bit.........  There were only 34 electoral votes between Bush and Kerry. Obama is by far more likely to carry all of those Kerry states, than McCain't is to carry all the Bush states, it's almost a given. So then it's 17 vote swing in a 2 man race....(Co, NV make 14, and are likely Obama pick ups) you are down to 3. MT, VA, OH, MO and FL are all considered 'in play', and Obama can win any one of them and win the election, and McCain't can't lose a single one. FYI.....................  ................Virginia is yet another state where McCain't can not lose, and Obama can lose and still win. Assuming McCain't wins all Bush states isn't where the smart money is at these days, so the path for Obama becomes easier, much easier.....  The shifting of the electoral map trends towards marginalizaion of the South, as the 'New West' starts to become unreliable Republican turf. The upper midwest plains states have also shown some polling reflecting and repeating trends away from the current republican crop. Montana is polling tight, and Democrats hold most elective offices there now, Federal and I think the State Legislature is Dem majority also, could be wrong on that though. I am not wrong on the rest of it though................... 
Edited by Kanektok Kid (08/27/08 11:06 PM)
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#450040 - 08/27/08 11:14 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: Todd]
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I have some issues with dudes decrying "activist" judges, then applauding when the same dudes define "militia" in the Constitution as a deer hunter with an assault rifle, or a dude standing on the corner in D.C. with a gun in his pocket.
Where's all the "activist judge" crying now?
Oh, that's right...they're only "activist judges" when they don't do what you like, and they're somehow "strict Constitutionalists" when they do something you do like...that relativism amongst the black and white conservatives is some of the most rank hypocrisy out there...bar none.
Fish on...
Todd Oh, this sounds just like a NRA member that is pissed about being lied to. At least man up and give the entire quote of the second amendment. The part you dont like. If you dont like the Heller decisiion thats your problem. It was narrowly defined and still leaves an opening for others to challenge the second amendment, which they dont like to talk about during an election when the hunters, target shooters and those who rely on their ownership rights to protect themselves, families and their businesses. Demograb politicians found out women are a large percentage of gun owners. Oddly, I didnt have to bring skin color into the debate. If you cant respect the opinions of people who dont like it when judges legislate from the bench, thats too bad for you. But then freedom of speech has not been a strong suit of yours. Hopefully you will never be in the position to muzzle anyone, anywhere.
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#450041 - 08/27/08 11:16 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: Kanektok Kid]
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Saw on Slate & heard from other sources that Obama does not need Hillary supporters. So I am off the hook for BO. It is always funny to see a West Coasters idea of the South. Inbreds...etc...whatever they really have no clue. The South is the morals of America, the South has defened gun rights for many years. There are low class people in the West, aka I know them as the whites who don't like whites, & low class people in South (won't go there).
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#450042 - 08/27/08 11:19 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: blue water pro]
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I lived in a 'border state', and whatever you feel about the South, they aren't important in the electoral math this year, as demonstrated above. Besdies, I've seen 'Deliverence' and that's a true story ya know, I read it in an E-Mail............... 
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#450043 - 08/27/08 11:24 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: Kanektok Kid]
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The South is not important. Hillary Supporters are not important. Who is next? So who is going to vote for the dude who was selected not elected, the Eastern Seaboard & the West Coast -brah do the math again.
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#450045 - 08/27/08 11:26 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: Hankster]
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O is assured a bump in the polls during the convention and for a period of time after that. When the R's have their convention Mc's numbers will surge. Pardon my use of that particular word. If O doesn't get a bump at least in the teens he's in trouble. gore had a 17 point bump. The biggest bump Obama would get is riding up on the backside of the media elite, like Chris (piss down my back, my leg is tingling, Mathews and Keith Overbite. I thought he was going to wet himself. This is no different than any other convention. Not everyone is paying attention in August and yet, he is already behind in the likely voter polls.
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#450047 - 08/27/08 11:33 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: blue water pro]
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The South is not important. Hillary Supporters are not important. Who is next? So who is going to vote for the dude who was selected not elected, the Eastern Seaboard & the West Coast -brah do the math again. Its not important in their minds, because they cannot get that vote, based on the demographics. Yet, for the GOP the south is important, because any loss their would only increase the likelyhood of a loss. The politicians and the media dont want to talk about disaffected Clinton supporters. They also dont want to talk about the women voters over 40 which dont support Obama. They live in every state. I doubt Obiden will help, considering his bad habit of taking shots at women. Man probably thinks George Clooney is jeolous of his looks.
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#450048 - 08/27/08 11:37 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: blue water pro]
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Who is talking about Hillary supporters besides you here ? Maybe this is a bit beyond your ability to comprehend, but elctoral math breaks down in certain ways, and so it's like this ............ Winning every state in the South does not equal anything for McCain't. Losing any one of them is a problem. The reverse is true for Obama. CA, NY and IL have an almost equal number of electoral votes, and they're not voting for McCain any time soon. The states I listed are the states that wil 'matter' in this election, for the reasons I outlined. It's about Electoral Votes and how to get to 270, and that's it, nothing more. The South can go solid as ever for McCain't, and yet he can't lose a one of them. There are really about only 10 states that 'matter' this year, election wise, the rest are solidly/ likely one party or the other, and most of them are Bush 2004 states. National polls mean little, and the Republican 'base' coming together for McCain't can mean winning some Southern state by 15, instead of 10. But not one additional Electoral Vote. I can't make it any clearer than that. Next time I'll type slower....................... 
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#450049 - 08/27/08 11:46 PM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: Kanektok Kid]
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guess we will have to wait & see.
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#450075 - 08/28/08 07:51 AM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
[Re: blue water pro]
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K.K. you need to break out the white board like Russert use to do. It may be easier for us to understand you math then.
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#450081 - 08/28/08 09:06 AM
Re: Obama Not Eligible To Run?
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The South is the morals of America,  Yeah? Says who?
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