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#458924 - 10/09/08 04:53 PM Three things you should know!
Captain Offline
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Registered: 10/16/99
Posts: 154
Loc: Enumclaw, Washington, USA
This comes in three parts....Make sure you read all three parts!

Part 1
Remember the election in 2006?

Thought you might like to read the following:

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.10 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
7) Food prices skyrocketing over 30% in 1 year.

America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Remember, it is Congress that makes the laws and spends our money -not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.


Part 2:
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML

Taxes under CLINTON-1999 Taxes under BUSH-2008
Single earning: Single earning:
30K - taxed- $ 8,400 30K - taxed $ 4,500
50K - taxed $ 14,000 50K - taxed $ 12,500
75K - taxed $ 23,250 75K - taxed $ 18,750
Married earning: Married earning:
60K - taxed $ 16,800 60K - taxed $ 9,000
75K - taxed $ 21,000 75K - taxed $ 18,750
125K - taxed $ 38,750 125K - taxed $ 31,250

Barack Obama promises to return to the higher tax rates if elected. It is amazing how many people who fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.

If elected, Barack Obama has already promised that he will repeal the Bush tax cuts, and amazingly, a good portion of the people who fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen.



PART 3:
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this: Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. Read on...

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77


2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html


3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html



4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HTML


5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at: http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html


6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html


7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html


8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html


9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html


10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html


11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl..com/t9sht


12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf


13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm


14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml


The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

Are we THAT stupid?




Edited by Captain (10/09/08 04:56 PM)

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#458926 - 10/09/08 05:17 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Captain]
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STFU
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#458935 - 10/09/08 05:52 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Irie]
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Quote:
Are we THAT stupid?


I dunno about "we" Cap'n... but YOU sure seem to be... by actually believing those e-mails are ANYTHING even remotely resembling reality! doh cowboy lame
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#458936 - 10/09/08 05:55 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Irie]
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Reality sucks!
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#458939 - 10/09/08 06:16 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: 4Salt]
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Originally Posted By: 4Salt
Quote:
Are we THAT stupid?


I dunno about "we" Cap'n... but YOU sure seem to be... by actually believing those e-mails are ANYTHING even remotely resembling reality! doh cowboy lame


Yeah Captain! How dare you quote sources of facts! You are supposed to do like the others do on this board and MSU.
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#458943 - 10/09/08 06:37 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Jhook]
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All right Jhook... I'll play along.

If things were/are so rosy under Republican rule and SO sh!tty under Democrats... then WHY is the Republican brand pretty much worthless right now and WHY do they stand to lose the presidency and even MORE seats in the House and Senate?

WHY would the American people want to change from the unbridled prosperity the Republicans have supposedly brought us? WHY?

Wait... lemme guess... the media has brainwashed everybody... right?
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#458956 - 10/09/08 07:31 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: 4Salt]
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Over the last 100+ years, the economy has performed best with a Democrat in the White House, and a Republicancontrolled Congress.

Those are the facts.

Throw more poo if you want, but that's the way it is.
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They wanted me to to be respected as a doctor or a lawyer man.
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#458964 - 10/09/08 07:43 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Dan S.]
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Originally Posted By: Dan S.
Over the last 100+ years, the economy has performed best with a Democrat in the White House, and a Republicancontrolled Congress.

Those are the facts.

Throw more poo if you want, but that's the way it is.


agreed. I would MUCH rather have a repub congress especially now. This entire group of sitting clowns we have now need to go.

The whole bailout garbage shows just how corrupt and disfunctional they are.

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#458984 - 10/09/08 08:52 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Dan S.]
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Originally Posted By: Dan S.
Over the last 100+ years, the economy has performed best with a Democrat in the White House, and a Republicancontrolled Congress.


I saw facts & figures that completley supported that theory and I cannot argue with the way it was shown to me.

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#458987 - 10/09/08 09:03 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Salmonella]
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Like most wingnut e-Mails, it's a feces filled mess of half truths, skewed figures, and generally beneath comment.

But since I've beat this E-Mail to death on several other boards, I don't see the need to do so here, again, for the knuckle draggers who live and breathe this crap.

Just like Big Daddy's hastily removed post yesterday, another wingnut E-Mail, so ridiculous on it face it took all of 15 seconds, a bit less actually, to refute it.

At least he had the decency to pull it, and that's a damn sight more than I can say for most here, so my hats off to him on that count.

Afte a while you'd think folks would figure it out.

And why, may I ask, is it ALWAYS the right who cut and pastes E-Mails and posts them here ?

rofl
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#458988 - 10/09/08 09:03 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Salmonella]
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We don't have nor will we have a republican controlled congress. So with that fact stated I ask what do the past facts & figures show to be better for the economy a dem controlled congress with a dem pres or a dem controlled congress with a republican pres?

(well you know of course, other than W, who by all accounts is really a dem. Dem =fed rule / Rep =states rule....I still ask & often ponder how in the heck anyone can consider W a republican other than himself....just labeling himself in daddy's footstep I guess. For more fed rule than any pres I can remember)

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#458996 - 10/09/08 09:23 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: blue water pro]
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You have internet access bwp, why don't you source some info on that ?

You can do research, correct ?

rofl
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#458998 - 10/09/08 09:37 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Kanektok Kid]
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Well apparently, you did not have the professor I had who would mark you way down if you used the internet. Only accepted one source I ever used a .org but very hesitant....claiming the internet was a collection of shi.at. Went to college in the 80's we only had a few BBs back then (had a radio shack comp -lol) but recently took some classes & the internet was a BIG NO NO. Just asking if anyone has some real facts....I want to know...trying to save a trip to the library.

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#458999 - 10/09/08 09:44 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: blue water pro]
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Seriously?
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#459001 - 10/09/08 09:52 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Dan S.]
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Well considering the huge volume of original source research materials (from the large number of University Papers and Government stats that easily found online) I'd have to say the guy is missing the baot.

I mean sure, if you cite a .org, place that's like Imafrrigin'wingnutandilikeit.org, sure he's gonna blow it off. But these days, my friends kids in college all use the 'net for raiding the databases on any number of subjects.
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#459005 - 10/09/08 10:00 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Kanektok Kid]
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The guy was a woman....& not the only one -yes --seriously. Maybe it was my sources...but I wasn't quoting gov stats or trying to copy other peoples University papers. But with that said it wasn't just me it was everbody...told from the get go- do not cite websites - go to the library.

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#459006 - 10/09/08 10:09 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: blue water pro]
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the big research schools have all sorts of original source material that over the years has grown to be quite a library of information for many different fields.

I wasn't talking about copying other peoples papers, what do you think I am here?
A Republican................. ?
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#459007 - 10/09/08 10:09 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Kanektok Kid]
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Or Biden?
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#459008 - 10/09/08 10:10 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: blue water pro]
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Quote:
Maybe it was my sources.


ding, ding, ding..........
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#459009 - 10/09/08 10:11 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Dan S.]
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Hank just Zzzing'ed the sh!t out of you, KK. rofl
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#459022 - 10/09/08 10:44 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Dan S.]
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Holy Schit. According to BWP, Bush is now a democrat.

rofl
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#459026 - 10/09/08 10:49 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Dan S.]
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Damn....................I was over being civil on another thread...............

rofl

If I'd of known he was zinnggiinngg me over here, I wouldn't have been so nice over there. I could have talked about his momma............ rofl

As an aside :

Ever wonder why there is never a cry for a Republican candidate to release his thesis paper ?

rofl

They've never written any of course.................
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#459028 - 10/09/08 10:53 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Irie]
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Originally Posted By: Irie
Holy Schit. According to BWP, Bush is now a democrat.

rofl


Yes you guys can have him....we don't want to claim him. He is a dem -HE IS!!!!!!!!!!!

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#459029 - 10/09/08 10:55 PM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: blue water pro]
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Sorry ............................unlike Republicans we Dem's have standards.

grin
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#459067 - 10/10/08 07:47 AM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: Captain]
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Part 2:
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML

Taxes under CLINTON-1999 Taxes under BUSH-2008
Single earning: Single earning:
30K - taxed- $ 8,400 30K - taxed $ 4,500
50K - taxed $ 14,000 50K - taxed $ 12,500
75K - taxed $ 23,250 75K - taxed $ 18,750
Married earning: Married earning:
60K - taxed $ 16,800 60K - taxed $ 9,000
75K - taxed $ 21,000 75K - taxed $ 18,750
125K - taxed $ 38,750 125K - taxed $ 31,250


You forgot to mention that we now have a deficite of over $10 Trillion. Guess how those tax cuts were paid for. OUr children and grandchildren will be paying for them until they die.

What exactly are you the "captain" of, a sinking ship?


Edited by stever in everett (10/10/08 07:48 AM)
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#459069 - 10/10/08 08:08 AM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: stever in everett]
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KK,
It is the Rep side that cuts and pastes.......you have got to be shiating me. Have you ever met JLH. Look at the top 10 board comments and see who placed them and who cut and pasted them. That is more spin than your normal talking points.
And yes after my 12 years in school.....no not K through 12, those dont count.......many professors made you do your own reading rather than search medline or the what not. Anyone can find anything they want in the fountain of misinformation that is our internet. I get more ridiculus questions a day because people do research from the internet than you can imagine. It always starts the same......I was looking on the internet after I googled this procedure and they said blah blah blah. Nine times out of ten it is so far off and it take half an hour to get them back on track with what they need. And forwarded emails are the worst.
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#459108 - 10/10/08 10:58 AM Re: Three things you should know! [Re: docspud]
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Depends on what you use for sources Doc.

When I do database searches, I get facts and figures.

When you use Drudge, not so much.

forwarded E-Mails are the exclusive domain of the right.

I never get left wing junk E-Mails in my inbox, even though I subscribe to several left leaning sites.

I do however get inundtated with right wing E-Mails, also due to the fact that I subscribe to right wing sites.

I like to read the wingnut E-Mails for laughs, and see which poster here will be putting them up next.

......................the usual suspects........................

rofl
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