#459302 - 10/11/08 09:15 AM
Re: It won't matter who is president
[Re: Erik]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 01/01/03
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Loc: North Bend
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Saw a Boeing Exec on the news this morning. He said they want to continue to build airplanes in Seatte. However, he added the all important, "but", then made reference to a reliable work force.
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#459347 - 10/11/08 07:17 PM
Re: It won't matter who is president
[Re: Jaba'da butt]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 11/28/01
Posts: 284
Loc: olympia
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if you want a so-called free-market ,laissez-faire approach to the economy you're going to get big boom-bust cycles...the USA suffered DEPRESSIONS every 30 years or so until the great depression when people decided that a regulated market and a little socialism may be a good thing...the only thing preventing a total collapse of the financial markets now are some remnants of the New Deal that everyone's been trying to dismantle...you can't have it both ways...if you ascribe to the greenspan..freidman..ron paul free market philosophy that's what you get....ever play monopoly? that's what will happen....and is ... this blind devotion to 'free trade' instead of fair trade has caused americans' standard of living race to the bottom and destroyed any manufacturing base we'd had except for arms sales...boeing's making a lot of money on that...the disparity in wealth is as wide as it was in the Gilded Age... the great depression created an opportunity for the working people to get a little more equality and concessions from the powerful....willl we do it now? ..on his death bed Eugene Debbs was asked if he had any regrets...he said..."I regret that the american people could have anything they want but they seem to want so little of anything..." ..will that be us?
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#459359 - 10/11/08 09:10 PM
Re: It won't matter who is president
[Re: bodysurf]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 2887
Loc: Discovery Bay, Wa. 98368
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It seems there is always the pendulum affect.....first too far one way and then too far the other. Unions came about as a result of worker abuse by Corporate Heads, so to speak. Now, we have reached the point where employers have to slow production so a worker can have a baby for instance, or has trouble getting rid of an unsatisfactory employee. It's things like these that hurt the golden goose called a pay check. (flame away if you like, but you know it's true). One of the self defeating things that come with unions is a "it's not my job" and "why should I do more?" attitude that employers are forced to swallow. And it's that swallowing that cuts profits. No profits, no employees. There also is a general attitude of "You owe me" and "How can I get something for nothing" life style that leeches from everyone and kills any desire to do an honest day's work for an honest day's pay.
OK, I done. Just my random two cents worth.
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#459409 - 10/12/08 05:02 PM
Re: It won't matter who is president
[Re: KoneZone]
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Carcass
Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 2094
Loc: U.S. Army
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It surprises me that folks don't seem to understand what happened. I couldn't agree more. Please read this and this. Free trade is the American way, but unregulated free trade has caused every financial crisis the United States has experienced in its history.
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#459411 - 10/12/08 05:07 PM
Re: It won't matter who is president
[Re: hohbomb73]
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 08/28/08
Posts: 206
Loc: forest grove , Or
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A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall
Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son? Oh, where have you been, my darling young one? I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains, I've walked and I've crawled on six crooked highways, I've stepped in the middle of seven sad forests, I've been out in front of a dozen dead oceans, I've been ten thousand miles in the mouth of a graveyard, And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard, And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
Oh, what did you see, my blue-eyed son? Oh, what did you see, my darling young one? I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it, I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin', I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin', I saw a white ladder all covered with water, I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken, I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children, And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
And what did you hear, my blue-eyed son? And what did you hear, my darling young one? I heard the sound of a thunder, it roared out a warnin', Heard the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world, Heard one hundred drummers whose hands were a-blazin', Heard ten thousand whisperin' and nobody listenin', Heard one person starve, I heard many people laughin', Heard the song of a poet who died in the gutter, Heard the sound of a clown who cried in the alley, And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
Oh, who did you meet, my blue-eyed son? Who did you meet, my darling young one? I met a young child beside a dead pony, I met a white man who walked a black dog, I met a young woman whose body was burning, I met a young girl, she gave me a rainbow, I met one man who was wounded in love, I met another man who was wounded with hatred, And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
Oh, what'll you do now, my blue-eyed son? Oh, what'll you do now, my darling young one? I'm a-goin' back out 'fore the rain starts a-fallin', I'll walk to the depths of the deepest black forest, Where the people are many and their hands are all empty, Where the pellets of poison are flooding their waters, Where the home in the valley meets the damp dirty prison, Where the executioner's face is always well hidden, Where hunger is ugly, where souls are forgotten, Where black is the color, where none is the number, And I'll tell it and think it and speak it and breathe it, And reflect it from the mountain so all souls can see it, Then I'll stand on the ocean until I start sinkin', But I'll know my song well before I start singin', And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
-Bob Dylan Weird, I was just listening to that song yesterday
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#459413 - 10/12/08 05:10 PM
Re: It won't matter who is president
[Re: Slab Happy]
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 11/07/99
Posts: 1627
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One of the self defeating things that come with unions is a "it's not my job" and "why should I do more?" attitude that employers are forced to swallow.
OK, I done. Just my random two cents worth. with more responsibility comes more pay, at least in a perfect world. how would you like it if your employer added a bunch of additional job duties to you and your co-workers, but refused to give you a raise? it's a slippery slope, some unions have become all-powerful and abusive(UAW in detroit for example), others, like the one i'm in, have very little power other than at least getting token negotiations out of the company. you can't lump them all together. i'm on the verge of losing my job(on or around november 7th). it's a tough time to work in the newspaper world as it is, and with the added crashing economy, even worse.
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#459422 - 10/12/08 05:50 PM
Re: It won't matter who is president
[Re: Chum Man]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 10/26/02
Posts: 294
Loc: Salem OR
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To top things off chinook fishing is shitty!
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#459424 - 10/12/08 05:59 PM
Re: It won't matter who is president
[Re: goharley]
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Spawner
Registered: 01/24/07
Posts: 829
Loc: San Francisco,CA
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Well I'm convinced now. Freddie/Fannie had absolutely nothing to do with the mess we're in and I will sleep better tonight knowing it was those nasty Republican deregulations that actually caused the problem. Whew! What a relief.
The only problem I now face is I will have to intercept the letter I wrote to Barney Frank castigating him for playing the race card and calling him a pathetic and despicable little creature. Also the one I sent to Dodd for having his head up his ass.
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#459468 - 10/12/08 07:48 PM
Re: It won't matter who is president
[Re: Todd]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/12/03
Posts: 4418
Loc: undisclosed location
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Yeah don't worry about those letters.................  Where do you think the terrorist watch list comes from anyway ?
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#459484 - 10/12/08 08:24 PM
Re: It won't matter who is president
[Re: Kanektok Kid]
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Spawner
Registered: 01/24/07
Posts: 829
Loc: San Francisco,CA
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I am very,very afraid. I haven't been toeing the new party line and I've been accused of not bowing down to The One. I'm certain I'll be one of the first into the re-education camps that KK is building the berms for.
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#459487 - 10/12/08 08:35 PM
Re: It won't matter who is president
[Re: Todd]
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Spawner
Registered: 01/24/07
Posts: 829
Loc: San Francisco,CA
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I'd have to think that getting a lot of progressives together on anything would be more like shoveling fleas than herding cats.
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#459515 - 10/12/08 09:56 PM
Re: It won't matter who is president
[Re: Todd]
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Spawner
Registered: 01/24/07
Posts: 829
Loc: San Francisco,CA
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If you get rid of all of the neo-cons and the "compassionate-conservatives" that wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit. There's really not a spits worth of difference between the two and sometimes it's hard to tell them apart from the libs.
If you don't have someone around that is watching the purse strings, some true conservatives, this country will be in a lot more trouble than it is now. You need some balance.
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