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#478025 - 01/06/09 10:14 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: goharley]
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lobbing rockets is the equivalent of flipping the Israelis off? last I checked flipping someone off didn't kill them, sure it pissed em off but thats it.


Edited by Vidiotic (01/06/09 10:15 PM)

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#478039 - 01/06/09 11:04 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: ]
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+1

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#478048 - 01/06/09 11:42 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Vidiotic]
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Wow. Some of you come completely unglued when the Indian nation kills more fish or crab than legally allowed or some fisherman kills a wild steelhead when prohibited, but you ardently defend the Israeli nation while they're committing war crimes.

Weird moral compass, I must say.






Disclaimer: Yes, we all recognize that Hamas is also guilty of war crimes.
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#478049 - 01/06/09 11:47 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: goharley]
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Originally Posted By: goharley
Wow. Some of you come completely unglued when the Indian nation kills more fish or crab than legally allowed or some fisherman kills a wild steelhead when prohibited, but you ardently defend the Israeli nation while they're committing war crimes.

Weird moral compass, I must say.






Disclaimer: Yes, we all recognize that Hamas is also guilty of war crimes.


+1
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#478057 - 01/07/09 12:41 AM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: John Lee Hookum]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
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What works is, he/she with the biggest bombs win. The other side can either give in or die.


The Viet Cong, the American Revolutionary forces, the mujahideen and I had a little chuckle at that one.
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#478061 - 01/07/09 12:59 AM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Dan S.]
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#478088 - 01/07/09 08:02 AM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Dan S.]
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Originally Posted By: Dan S.
Quote:
What works is, he/she with the biggest bombs win. The other side can either give in or die.


The Viet Cong, the American Revolutionary forces, the mujahideen and I had a little chuckle at that one.



Oh, she's gonna hate that one... LOL!

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#478137 - 01/07/09 12:59 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
What is difficult for me to understand is how launching 1000's of missile and mortar rounds into civilian populated areas during a cease fire wouldn't be considered a war crime.
We've already clearly established, and I believe everyone here agrees, Hamas is guilty of war crimes. But they're not alone.

Why is everyone fixated on the missle count? 1000's of missles result in <20 deaths over a period of years. Israel's response results in >500 dead in a matter of days. That's a war crime. And if you don't believe Israel's intention is the destruction of, and prevention of any Palestinian state, you're being intellectually ingenuous.

Defending Israel's actions are as immoral as defending Hamas'.
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#478144 - 01/07/09 01:28 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Dan S.]
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Originally Posted By: Dan S.
Quote:
What works is, he/she with the biggest bombs win. The other side can either give in or die.


The Viet Cong, the American Revolutionary forces, the mujahideen and I had a little chuckle at that one.


ZZZing Zilla! grin
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#478152 - 01/07/09 01:58 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: John Lee Hookum]
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Hmmmm, let's see. God gave those Ten Suggestions? Directions? Oh yeah, COMMANDMENTS to Moses, a jew, and one of those states "You shall not kill."

It's still just Hatfields and McCoys.

Oh yeah, now that the political theater has died down, I'm glad we could all find something new and worthwhile to argue about wink grin
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#478161 - 01/07/09 02:24 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Mikespike]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Aunty,

I know what you were trying to say, but I just can't let a pitch like that go by without taking a swing.

What Israel will find out is that the harder they strike back, the less secure their lives will be. And the Palestinians will find out that the harder they try to wipe Israel off the planet, the harder the resolve of the Israelis to prevent that will be.

What I can't understand is why we as Americans feel the need to pick sides.........as it seems to me that both sides of that conflict are all f*cked up and, as usual, it's the innocents that catch the brunt of the aggression for both sides.

I find the whole conflict disgusting and disheartening.
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#478168 - 01/07/09 02:42 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: ]
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Quote:
Aunty,

I know what you were trying to say, but I just can't let a pitch like that go by without taking a swing.

What Israel will find out is that the harder they strike back, the less secure their lives will be. And the Palestinians will find out that the harder they try to wipe Israel off the planet, the harder the resolve of the Israelis to prevent that will be.

What I can't understand is why we as Americans feel the need to pick sides.........as it seems to me that both sides of that conflict are all f*cked up and, as usual, it's the innocents that catch the brunt of the aggression for both sides.

I find the whole conflict disgusting and disheartening.


+1 applause
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#478169 - 01/07/09 02:44 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: ]
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Registered: 12/09/08
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So Israel is lobbing better, more accurate missles, and thats a war crime?
Palestinians motives are pure whereas Israels are not?

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#478178 - 01/07/09 03:18 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Vidiotic]
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Disproportionate response is a war crime by definition.

Originally Posted By: Dan S.
What I can't understand is why we as Americans feel the need to pick sides... both sides of that conflict are all f*cked up and, as usual, it's the innocents that catch the brunt of the aggression for both sides.

I find the whole conflict disgusting and disheartening.
Absophuckinglutely.
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#478218 - 01/07/09 05:20 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: ]
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Registered: 12/22/08
Posts: 134
Loc: hood canal
interest=oil.
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#478227 - 01/07/09 06:06 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: litlcleo]
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Registered: 01/02/08
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Originally Posted By: litlcleo
interest=oil.


A little off base geographically, or put another way, Moses led the jews through the desert for forty years and then took them to the only place in the middle east without oil. doh
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#478237 - 01/07/09 06:41 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Mikespike]
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Registered: 12/22/08
Posts: 134
Loc: hood canal
who are we really counting on to keep Iran in check?
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With the population ballooning out of control, there
are bound to be more and more fishermen clogging up our rivers. All of
these fishermen have one thing in common: They come to the Olympic
Peninsula seeking solitude.”
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#478240 - 01/07/09 06:51 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: litlcleo]
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 1765
Iran in check = U.S.A.

You think anyone else in the world cares about Uncle Sam ?

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#478250 - 01/07/09 07:44 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Oregonian]
litlcleo Offline
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Registered: 12/22/08
Posts: 134
Loc: hood canal
I am not sure how the U.S.A keeps Iran in check?I know we do not buy oil from Iran,but that in itself has little effect on Iran.China and Europe just take up the slack.Our economy tanking has hurt them more by bringing down the price of oil.

If Iran could wipe out Israel they would.That in itself tells me that they are a tool against Iran and in trying to keep some kind of stability in the middle east.Israel is at war with the same people that would love destabilize the middle east and cut off oil supplies to us.I know that we do not buy that much oil from the middle east but it is sold on a world market.Disrupt the flow out of the middle east and the price of oil will sky rocket.I myself would like to know we had Israel as an ally in the middle east to combat this.
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With the population ballooning out of control, there
are bound to be more and more fishermen clogging up our rivers. All of
these fishermen have one thing in common: They come to the Olympic
Peninsula seeking solitude.”
Pat Neal

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#478259 - 01/07/09 08:19 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: litlcleo]
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Loc: Lynnwood, WA
Iraq USED to keep Iran in check...

Quote:
If Iran could wipe out Israel they would.


NO... they wouldn't, IMO. The hardline govt. likes to talk big... but in the end it's just talk. The people of Iran are very pro-western and would like nothing more than to live in peace and prosperity. Plus, HOW would Iran "wipe out" Israel? With nukes? VERY unlikely! By a conquering ground assault? VERY unlikely! There's NO WAY that Iran could establish and maintain the logistics to occupy Israel... AND they know we would NEVER allow it.
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