#487184 - 02/11/09 02:39 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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NMTA....................a boating group right ?
Or am I wrong on that ?
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#487194 - 02/11/09 02:55 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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I realize Jacobsen is anti sport, and a commercial tool, but that wouldn't stop any group from hedging its bets on an election.
It's done with surprising regularity.
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#487208 - 02/11/09 03:08 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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Yeah it is strange.
For instance, one of the donors posted runs a 'foundation' and advocacy group with environmental leanings, and is a client of mine.
I have sat and talked with him about fishing before, and at least to my face, he railed against commercial exploitation of marine life in general, and specifically regarding netting.
Good guy, and so it makes me wonder.
Small donation from him, so maybe he just likes to be a 'playa' and keep a pol's ear in case he needs one.
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#487212 - 02/11/09 03:12 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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Perhaps it shouldn't be.
It does explain a few things though. Yes, like why Carl Burke was allowed to testify at the hearing and CCA was not.
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#487213 - 02/11/09 03:14 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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Right...............exactly.
Given the number of votes reps engage in, procedural ones almost never get big play and yet they can 'kill' things in committee. Things that would otherwise see the light of day and be on ther floor for debate, thus drawing more interest from both the media and other reps.
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#487232 - 02/11/09 04:14 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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CCA should ask him to come and speak at one of their meetings.
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#487235 - 02/11/09 04:22 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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I Banned Myself
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Invite him to a meeting. That way if says yes, you all can grill him. If he declines, you can put out a release that says he wouldn't appear to answer questions. Simple..............CCA can't lose on that one, they can only win. Strategery.............. 
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#487239 - 02/11/09 04:26 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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Sorry...................
I misunderestimated...............
fool me once sham.......on........won't get fooled again.............
Whoops the last part was the Who............sorry.
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#487255 - 02/11/09 05:43 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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Good MPM.............  I tend to agree with Salmo on this. Ask him why, and tell him why sportsmen are asking. Inviting him to speak and explain himself at a CCA meeting still seems like a good idea to me. Inviting other lawmakers to attend meetings should be a priority for CCA also.
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#487321 - 02/11/09 09:29 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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This is all very interesting, Lets find out where Jacobsen gets his money///
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#487399 - 02/12/09 09:38 AM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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This is all very interesting, Lets find out where Jacobsen gets his money/// psssst, my posting above  You can also go to the Legislature's own website, it has an accessible database of all the politicians and who/what contributed to whom.
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#487828 - 02/13/09 12:54 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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It would also be good to get as many attendees as possible for such meetings, so the lawmakers know *a lot* of sportfishermen take an interest in state politics. One thing worth remembering is that the Commission does a lot more than fisheries. Wildlife, recreational use of WDFW lands, and property management is a big part of their work. If you look at the list of Senator Jacobsen's contributers you will see a lot of money from agricultural and ranching groups. The Commission is only part of what the committee oversees that these groups are interested in. The property management role of the commission is a political hotcake, for instance cattle grazing on WDFW lands. Right now that issue, on the Whiskey Dick GMU, is in the courts. Some very political groups, not interested in fisheries except on how it might impact land use, are interested in changing the Commission.
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#487834 - 02/13/09 01:05 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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I live in Seattle and have written to my Representative and Senator- plus Gregoire and Jacobsen via email. I used the form letter from CCA/ PSA and then I wrote another which was about my own personal experiences seeing the decline of salmon & steelhead fisheries around the state since I was a kid and to extinction in some areas (I only only 33 years old, but still a huge fall downwards)!
While Gregoire and Jacobsen have not yet responded, both my Speaker Frank Chop and Rep Jamie Pedersen PROMPTLY replied. With Gregoire and Jacobsen I noted that I am a registered Democrat and I supported HER campaign, voted for her, etc. and find it odd that a fellow Democrat- and especially one in a demographic such as Seattle- would side against Conservation of these dwindling resources.
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#487840 - 02/13/09 01:19 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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Of course, I am a sports fisherman, but these interests aside and in line with CCA's "more fish for everyone"....
I read through the entire SB5127 and don't understand the motivation behind eliminating the Commission. I am actually serious- what is the motivation- or the intent? I asked this in my letter to Jacobsen and Gregoire as well. Again, someone who is elected by a liberal demographic should side on behalf of conservation and preserving our salmon & steelhead species. To be honest, I am not sure whether Jacobsen was elected by Commercial Fisherman as mentioned in one post above. I would imagine that this area of Seattle (his constitutes) is largely left of center.
so I wonder if the elimination of the Commission is a budget issue? or is it part of Gregoire's mandate to see improvements in the Salmon & Steelhead returns (WA State Steelhead Plan, etc.) or what? if the government feels that the Commission is not working, then are they proposing an alternative to help save our fishery. Or is it simply to turn the resources over to provide money for special interests... farm land, forestry management, commercial fisheries, etc. These interests don't really sound like a Democrat to me, but maybe I am missing something hidden between the lines.
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#487853 - 02/13/09 01:59 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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cd- The bill is sponsored by state senators. I haven't heard anything about Gregoire's impressions of it. As for Jacobsen, I think the best answer is that his constituents are a coalition of different interests, and that his liberal base is probably ill informed about his shenanigans re the Commission. As for the intent of the bill, here's what I had to say to my senator: I am writing to express my strong opposition to SB 5127.
The current form of the Fish and Wildlife Commission was created by the legislature and a (60+ %) vote of the people (Ref. 45), in 1995. I would be very disappointed if the legislature circumvented the will of the people.
SB 5127 guts the authority of the Commission by- • Taking away the power to appoint the Director. • Making it an advisory only function. • Reducing the number of Commissioners. • Reducing the terms of the Commissioners. • Reducing the power to call emergency meetings (limiting the Commission to only 2 emergency meetings a year). • Reducing citizen representation by limiting the number of Commissioners (this would also add the burden on individual Commissioners to represent more citizens). • Inhibiting the ability of the Commission to function by requiring all members for a quorum. I am an elected official of a Board (Methow Valley School District #350), and have regularly been involved with Board development. There are many parallels between the functions of my Board and the Commission. Both organizations develop policy, provide governance, and represent the citizen ownership of the organizations. There is no question in my mind that the intent of this legislation is to reduce the effectiveness of the Commission, in those functions. While technical knowledge is helpful in the roles of policy and governance, they are not essential. (And reducing term lengths will only make it more difficult for members to come up to speed on the issues.) What is essential is the each member understand the roles of the Commission and be given the authority to exercise those powers. I could not imagine being effective in my position, if I had work under the restrictions envisioned in SB 5127.
One of the criticisms of the Commission is that it is not trained in the field of fisheries management and is inconsistently involved in fisheries management. This criticism fails to recognize the true functions of a Commission/Board. It is not the role of the Commission to be the technical experts- that is the work of the staff. (There is no way that any individual could be trained in all of the disciplines of fish and wildlife science, anyways.) My role as a school board member is similar in that I'm not an educational expert. The Board/Commission function is to (with the input of the public owners) set the goals of the organization, and it is then the work of the administration and staff to determine how to accomplish the goals.
I hope you will join me in supporting the authority of the current Commission structure and, should it come before you for a vote, oppose SB 5127.
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#487858 - 02/13/09 02:13 PM
Re: SB 5127 Why is this even being discussed?
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Of course, I am a sports fisherman, but these interests aside and in line with CCA's "more fish for everyone"....
I read through the entire SB5127 and don't understand the motivation behind eliminating the Commission. I am actually serious- what is the motivation- or the intent? I asked this in my letter to Jacobsen and Gregoire as well. Again, someone who is elected by a liberal demographic should side on behalf of conservation and preserving our salmon & steelhead species. To be honest, I am not sure whether Jacobsen was elected by Commercial Fisherman as mentioned in one post above. I would imagine that this area of Seattle (his constitutes) is largely left of center.
so I wonder if the elimination of the Commission is a budget issue? or is it part of Gregoire's mandate to see improvements in the Salmon & Steelhead returns (WA State Steelhead Plan, etc.) or what? if the government feels that the Commission is not working, then are they proposing an alternative to help save our fishery. Or is it simply to turn the resources over to provide money for special interests... farm land, forestry management, commercial fisheries, etc. These interests don't really sound like a Democrat to me, but maybe I am missing something hidden between the lines. SB 5127 does not eliminate the Commission Reader’s Digest version… 1. SB 5127 removes the authority of selecting and hiring the WDFW Director from the Commission and gives it to the Governor with Senate confirmation; Jacobsen chairs the confirmation committee. 2. The bill reduces the Commission from 9 members to 5 members: two from the west; two from the east and one at large. 3. Instead of limiting the Commission members to no more than one per county they would be limited to one per “administrative region as recognized by the department”. 4. A quorum would no longer be 5 (or more) of 9; it would require all 5 for a quorum. 5. The Chair and Vice Chair would only serve a one year term instead of two years. 6. A Commission appointment would be for 3 years instead of 6. 7. Meetings would be reduced from “at least” one meeting in the first two months of the year to “one regular meeting” and instead of an unspecified number of meetings, for the remainder of the year; it would be “up to two”. If this Bill passes, with the proposed language, all Commission positions will be considered vacated January 1, 2010 and we start all over. My opinion: Jacobsen has been trying for several years to gain more control over WDFW. There are many theories on why, but no one seems to argue he is trying for control. The motive this time is, I believe, is no different. If his committee has control over who is confirmed as the WDFW Director, then he has postured himself into a favourable position of political power over the Department. Remember, he has aligned himself with commercial fishermen. The way it stands now, the Commissioners themselves have little political power and therefore, little or nothing to gain politically one way or the other. Hopefully, this scenario means they do what is in the best interest of the resource and not for political gain or favour. As far as a budget saving idea, the “savings” are less than $100,000. In my opinion, there will be far more than $100,000 worth of damage done to the resource if Jacobsen has anything to do with it.
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