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#519759 - 07/13/09 12:53 PM Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull?
ramprat Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Graham
Havn't Posted on pisc for quite while so hope I get this right.
This morning while out in my back yard I noticed by neighbor had not one but two Bull elk heads in his back yard.
Very fresh and still in velvet.
I havn't seen him yet to talk with him So I don't know the story behind them yet, But I was a liitle sad to see they were taken so early in the year before their antlers were even developed all the way.
He is a native american and he told me he can hunt year round. He loves to hunt and has many stories to tell
Seems to be a great neighbor and would probably help me with anything I need help with.
I know he got a nice bull last fall and now two more?
Anyway my concern is If the tribes (and I am not sure wich tribe he is from He grew up in the forks area.) Allow year round hunting does anyone know if they put a limit on the number of animals they can harvest?
My guess is they do, but still it seems to me if all of the hunters take that many animals in such short a time How long will they Last.
Its been a while since Iv'e been elk hunting so I guess I'll have to talk him into taking me for a trip.
Anyway here is a photo I took this morning If I can just remember how to upload it.
Ramprat


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#519762 - 07/13/09 12:59 PM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: ramprat]
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I've taken two elk in a year before (1 in January and another on August), and we had no issues eating them up. Looks like these were destined to become 5x5's or so, so they were fairly mature bulls.
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#519772 - 07/13/09 02:15 PM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: Dogfish]
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Supposedly, they came off the Hoh reservation, somewhere N. of Kalaloch.

I saw them on Friday afternoon, my wife asked your neighbor about them at the rest area.
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#519774 - 07/13/09 02:24 PM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: Rocket Red]
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#519789 - 07/13/09 04:51 PM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: seastrike]
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Phuggin' lame.....
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#519798 - 07/13/09 05:29 PM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: RowVsWade]
chasbo Offline
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it takes a lot of meat to feed the dogs

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#519839 - 07/13/09 07:41 PM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: chasbo]
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That is BS
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#519877 - 07/13/09 09:59 PM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: huntncoug]
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I just don't get it........

I could understand if they still lived in Teepees and traveled via foot and horseback like they used to. But to be able to go out and kill an elk year around, load it up in their truck and eat it in their house that was probably built by a white man amazes me....

Keith
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#519957 - 07/14/09 01:56 AM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: stlhdr1]
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if they're only out for meat, why not shoot a couple spikes?

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#519962 - 07/14/09 03:07 AM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: LoweDown]
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Registered: 07/11/04
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Loc: Bothell, Wa
Originally Posted By: stlhdr1
I just don't get it........

I could understand if they still lived in Teepees and traveled via foot and horseback like they used to. But to be able to go out and kill an elk year around, load it up in their truck and eat it in their house that was probably built by a white man amazes me....

Keith


Originally Posted By: LoweDown
if they're only out for meat, why not shoot a couple spikes?


Totally agree!

Last year a buddy of mine saw two huge Mulie's in the back of some white guys truck at the Chelan Les Schwab so he called WDFW LE. They arrived promptly and told him the guy was ok since he was a member of the Yakima tribe????

The deer where yarded up since there was about 10' of snow on the ground. The guy had his choice of about a 100 deer and shot the two biggest.

Total crap!
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#519986 - 07/14/09 10:46 AM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: BroodBuster]
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Unfotunately, it doesn't matter what any of us think. That is the rule and so it shall be. My first year hunting in Washington, I went with an old boy that had spent more time in the wilderness than anyone I knew or ever heard of. He went hunting out on the West end one time with a guy that he knew. They had put in all the prerequisite time scouting and locating and found their herd and bulls accordingly. On the way in to the area in the wee hours of the morning, they were met by three truck on the way out. One flat bed that had ten animals on it. Another two pickups that had three bulls each and a bunch of "locals" in the back with them and their guns. This was the opening day of archery season. Needless to say there were no animals left to hunt. Not fair, but legal.
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#520075 - 07/14/09 03:33 PM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: BroodBuster]
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makes it hard on the rest of us, going by rules, regulations, and cost of license fees...hard to not comment on a photo like that
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#520266 - 07/15/09 02:02 PM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: bonkit]
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See if you can find out which tribe he is in. I know that my brother in law is Makah and they have restricted the season for the tribe in the last couple of years. . Still better then ours, but last I heard it was bull only, one per permit (they still can have designated hunters for certian members). I have never heard of him being able to hunt this early. Each tribe is different, but a quick call to the reservation enforcement would give you an answer. I think it is a bit early for most tribal hunts and would be surprised if he is allowed to bulls like that.

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#520278 - 07/15/09 04:01 PM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: Krijack]
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That looks like it is in the Eastern part of the state. Atleast the eastern side of the sound. I ran into a Nez Perce a couple of years ago that was gloating about being able to hunt whenever he wants whatever he wants. The treaty rights apparently do entitle him to that. Truly unfortunate for the rest of the hunting population. But, good luck changing that.
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#520292 - 07/15/09 04:55 PM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: Pugnacious]
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Registered: 02/07/09
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Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: Pugnacious
Unfotunately, it doesn't matter what any of us think. That is the rule and so it shall be. My first year hunting in Washington, I went with an old boy that had spent more time in the wilderness than anyone I knew or ever heard of. He went hunting out on the West end one time with a guy that he knew. They had put in all the prerequisite time scouting and locating and found their herd and bulls accordingly. On the way in to the area in the wee hours of the morning, they were met by three truck on the way out. One flat bed that had ten animals on it. Another two pickups that had three bulls each and a bunch of "locals" in the back with them and their guns. This was the opening day of archery season. Needless to say there were no animals left to hunt. Not fair, but legal.


I've heard similar stories multiple times over the years. Crazy stories about "dozens" of elk that make you wish you were being BS'ed....

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#520296 - 07/15/09 05:30 PM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: BERG]
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I grew up on a ranch in eastern Montana right on the border of the Northern Cheyanne Rez. They can hunt all they want and as a result, you never see any kind of game whatsoever, even coyotes are scarce. Once you cross the rez line onto my family ranch there are deer, elk, and antelope everywhere.


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#520299 - 07/15/09 05:33 PM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: huntncoug]
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Originally Posted By: huntncoug
Once you cross the rez line


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#520338 - 07/15/09 08:13 PM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: GreenRiver]
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IT'S CALLED FEEDING YOUR FAMILY AND HELPING OTHER FAMILY'S EAT TOO. OUR SEASON OPENS ON THE FIRST OF JULY AND RUNS TILL THE END OF THE YEAR. BULL ONLY UNTIL THE END OF SEPT. THEN WE OPEN UP FOR COWS OFF RES. YOU CAN SHOOT 2 ELK PER YEAR AND YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE A DESIGNATED HUNTER FOR ELDERS AND THOSE WHO CAN'T HUNT. AND I USUALLY START CHUCKING THE CORONA BOTTLES AFTER I LEAVE THE REZ.:) THE TRIBAL HARVEST IS ONLY 20 % OF WHAT THE NON-TRIBAL HARVEST IS AND IF YOU WANT TO HARVEST A TROPY BULL YOU HAVE TO HUNT ON REZ, THEY ARE USE TO BEING HUNTED LONGER AND THERE ARE MORE OF THEM.(SMARTER ELK) OFF REZ IS JUST A MEAT HUNT RAG HORNS BUT SOME NICE DEER. WE HAVE REGULATIONS AND EVERYTHING, ON PAPER EVEN!

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#520425 - 07/16/09 10:28 AM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: mstar]
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Loc: Rowers Seat
Originally Posted By: mstar
IT'S CALLED FEEDING YOUR FAMILY AND HELPING OTHER FAMILY'S EAT TOO. OUR SEASON OPENS ON THE FIRST OF JULY AND RUNS TILL THE END OF THE YEAR. BULL ONLY UNTIL THE END OF SEPT. THEN WE OPEN UP FOR COWS OFF RES. YOU CAN SHOOT 2 ELK PER YEAR AND YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE A DESIGNATED HUNTER FOR ELDERS AND THOSE WHO CAN'T HUNT. AND I USUALLY START CHUCKING THE CORONA BOTTLES AFTER I LEAVE THE REZ.:) THE TRIBAL HARVEST IS ONLY 20 % OF WHAT THE NON-TRIBAL HARVEST IS AND IF YOU WANT TO HARVEST A TROPY BULL YOU HAVE TO HUNT ON REZ, THEY ARE USE TO BEING HUNTED LONGER AND THERE ARE MORE OF THEM.(SMARTER ELK) OFF REZ IS JUST A MEAT HUNT RAG HORNS BUT SOME NICE DEER. WE HAVE REGULATIONS AND EVERYTHING, ON PAPER EVEN!


Feeding your family? I have a family of 6 and we eat nothing but wild meat from deer and elk and we never run out. Let me tell ya, I don't get to kill 2 mature bull elk every year, along with however many deer you get, along with all the fish you get, on & on & on......Oh ya what about the casinos. You can't afford to buy meat? You can afford Corona but not meat????

Looks to me like those would have been really nice bulls (trophy's in many peoples eyes)if they were allowed to mature! They for sure were well on there way to being nice 5 points, who knows maybe even 6 or 7 pointers? Keep raping the resource and pretty soon there won't be anything left, just like fishing! Wake up dude it's 2009 not 1890! Just me .02 Rant over

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#520431 - 07/16/09 11:16 AM Re: Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull? [Re: fishmaster]
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I have no problem with the hunting, and I have been allowed to take two elk in a season here in Washington. Most times the meat is shared within their family.
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