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#531237 - 08/24/09 10:42 AM Re: Oregon's health care [Re: DBAppraiser]
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The USPS is not government run and if it no longer existed, yeah UPS and FEDEX would be happy to deliver your letter for about 100 times the cost.

I'm still wondering what ya'll think about Medicare and the VA? GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE.
If it weren't for Medicare there would be Senior citizens dying in droves as private health care would either refuse to cover them or charge them more than the vast majority could afford. So, either we the people would foot the bill or let them die. Talk about pulling the plug on granny.
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#531252 - 08/24/09 12:05 PM Re: Oregon's health care [Re: ]
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So AM, you advocate doing away with Medicare and the VA and leaving even more people to fend for themselves insurance wise?
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#531266 - 08/24/09 01:03 PM Re: Oregon's health care [Re: stlhead]
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So is my medicare "account" that I've paid into forever go to Obamacare?
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#531282 - 08/24/09 02:26 PM Re: Oregon's health care [Re: ]
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It is completely structured as a public corporation sans the shareholders and less tax payer funded than almost any other major corporation.

Here's a write up of the debate:

The Modern Postal Service: Agency or Business?
Until adoption of the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970, the U.S. Postal Service functioned as a regular, tax-supported, agency of the federal government.

According to the laws under which it now operates, the U.S. Postal Service is a semi-independent federal agency, mandated to be revenue-neutral. That is, it is supposed to break even, not make a profit.

In 1982, U.S. postage stamps became "postal products," rather than a form of taxation. Since then, The bulk of the cost of operating the postal system has been paid for by customers through the sale of "postal products" and services rather than taxes.

Each class of mail is also expected to cover its share of the costs, a requirement that causes the percentage rate adjustments to vary in different classes of mail, according the costs associated with the processing and delivery characteristics of each class.

According to the costs of operations, U.S. Postal Service rates are set by the Postal Regulatory Commission according to the recommendations of the Postal Board of Governors.

Look, the USPS is an Agency!
The USPS is created as a government agency under Title 39, Section 101.1 of the United States Code which states, in part:


(a) The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of Congress, and supported by the people. The Postal Service shall have as its basic function the obligation to provide postal services to bind the Nation together through the personal, educational, literary, and business correspondence of the people. It shall provide prompt, reliable, and efficient services to patrons in all areas and shall render postal services to all communities. The costs of establishing and maintaining the Postal Service shall not be apportioned to impair the overall value of such service to the people.

Under paragraph (d) of Title 39, Section 101.1, "Postal rates shall be established to apportion the costs of all postal operations to all users of the mail on a fair and equitable basis."

No, the USPS is a Business!
the Postal Service takes on some several very non-governmental attributes via the powers granted to it under Title 39, Section 401, which include:


power to sue (and be sued) under its own name;


power to adopt, amend and repeal its own regulations;


power to "enter into and perform contracts, execute instruments, and determine the character of, and necessity for, its expenditures";


power to buy, sell and lease private property; and,


power to build, operate, lease and maintain buildings and facilities.

All of which are typical functions and powers of a private business. However, unlike other private businesses, the Postal Service is exempt from paying federal taxes. USPS can borrow money at discounted rates, and can condemn and acquire private property under governmental rights of eminent domain.

The USPS does get some taxpayer support. Around $96 million is budgeted annually by Congress for the "Postal Service Fund." These funds are used to compensate USPS for postage-free mailing for all legally blind persons and for mail-in election ballots sent from US citizens living overseas. A portion of the funds also pays USPS for providing address information to state and local child support enforcement agencies, and for keeping some rural posts offices in operation.

Under federal law, only the Postal Service can handle or charge postage for handling letters. Despite this virtual monopoly worth some $45 billion a year, the law does not require that the Postal Service make a profit -- only break even. Still, the US Postal Service has averaged a profit of over $1 billion per year in each of the last five years. Yet, Postal Service officials argue that they must continue to raise postage at regular intervals in order make up for the increased use of email.
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