Ya think?

Fish on...

Todd

Well relative moralism aside I don't give a rats as s about what one does after killing someone and sure as hell don't care to make excuses for their murders, regardless of party affiliation.

Apparently the left has more disdain for the likes of Sarah Palin then they do for a killer/drunk POS like Teddy.......figures.

PS......It ain't about any "suite of cases" and it ain't about the shi tty justice system in place now or in 1969....it's about the fact a f.ckin drunk can kill a woman and almost half this country views him as their hero. Pathetic.....but when taken in context with the lack of decency on the left and their utter contempt for American principles it stands to reason why they need a idol like that POS.....they have no one else to bow down to.

That's because there wasn't much...even if those on the left didn't agree with his policies, or the fact that he managed to have more than one wife during his "Christian" life, and wasn't a very good Prez, besides, there's less hate and more respect coming from the left side of the aisle...the right is so full of hate and fear they can't find anything other than hate and fear to stir their thoughts.

Fish on...

Todd

Who did RR kill?

It's not about party affiliation for me it's about not having killed someone.

That's all it's about? How about violating dozens of Federal Laws by...

1. negotiating with terrorists
2. selling arms to our sworn enemies in Iran (aka, treason)
3. using the money to illegally fund someone else's coup in central America

'Course, those are all OK, cuz he was Ronald Reagan, right...or was it OK because he "didn't recall"...?

Those events led to the death of many thousands more than one girl on the East Coast, no matter how terrible that was.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. They hypocrisy you're showing is blatant, in more ways than one.

Yeah, thoughtful, respectful, warm hearted democrats.....

The door swings both ways Todd, no matter how you try to paint it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x603890

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x604956

Don't bother...RvW can't see outside his wet RWWJ sack, no matter what happens in the world around him...as with many RWWJ's, the world doesn't actually exist outside his small head.

Fish on...

Todd

RVW,

I have mixed feelings about TK because of Chappaquidic; not moral relativeism. I don't know how old you were in 1969. I was surprised how easy TK got off, but I was just learning the fact of our double standard justice system. It's easy to overlook today, but read Aunty's posts. In the 60s when a drunk driver killed somebody it was usually considered a tragedy, not manslaughter. The legal status of the action changed because of MADD like Aunty posted. It seems weird today, but that's a difference with a legal distinction, and morals and ethics don't carry much weight in court. And as we see all the time, if you're rich and or powerful, even the law itself may not carry all that much weight.

To understand the difference, if that accident happened in the last few years, money and power withstanding, TK probably would have still gotten off with a reduced sentence and probably served 30 to 90 days, sorta' like an NFL player. I presume you harbor the same ill will for an ungodly proportion of the NFL lineup that have felony convictions, most of which got off with a slap or less. That's why I mentioned Michael Vic's jail time; he got a more severe punishment than NFL stars that actually killed other people. So yes, it's very much about double standards in the legal system.

Sg

Ted Kennedy was a POS!! how is this a debate?

Salmo-----I understand what you're saying, I don't like the double standards that are very prevalent in our "justice" system. I can't begin to fathom how many poor and disadvantaged have been thrown away (locked up) for much less or in some cases nothing. So to answer your question...YES i get frothed up at the NFL/NBA/ETC and their lax policies regarding felonies. There are plenty of kids with talent across this nation that would love nothing more than a first chance at major league ball, that's why I don't believe these guys that committ felonies deserve a second chance. They don't "deserve" anything.

Our kids deserve to have sports heroes that are better than that.imho

PS---Nice job at B-10!

Human Life International's Statement on the Passing of Senator Edward Kennedy

by Reverend Thomas J. Euteneuer

We must, as a matter of precept, pray for the salvation of heretical Catholics like Senator Edward Kennedy, but we do not have to praise him let alone extol him with the full honors of a public Catholic funeral and all the adulation that attends such an event. There was very little about Ted Kennedy's life that deserves admiration from a spiritual or moral point of view. He was probably the worst example of a Catholic statesman that one can think of. When all is said and done, he has distorted the concept of what it means to be a Catholic in public life more than anyone else in leadership today.

Obviously we don't know the state of Senator Edward Kennedy's soul upon death. We don't pretend to. We are told by the family that he had the opportunity to confess his sins before a priest, and his priest has said publicly he was "at peace" when he died. For that we are grateful. But it is one thing to confess one's sins and for these matters to be kept, rightfully, private. It is another thing entirely for one who so consistently and publicly advocated for the destruction of unborn human beings to depart the stage without a public repudiation of these views, a public confession, as it were.

It is up to God to judge Senator Kennedy's soul. We, as rational persons, must judge his actions, and his actions were not at all in line with one who values and carefully applies Church teaching on weighty matters. Ted Kennedy's positions on a variety of issues have been a grave scandal for decades, and to honor this "catholic" champion of the culture of death with a Catholic funeral is unjust to those who have actually paid the price of fidelity. We now find out that President Obama will eulogize the Senator at his funeral, an indignity which, following on the heels of the Notre Dame fiasco, leaves faithful Catholics feeling sullied, desecrated and dehumanized by men who seem to look for opportunities to slap the Church in the face and do so with impunity simply because they have positions of power.

It is not enough for Kennedy to have been a "great guy behind the scenes" as we have seen him referred to even by his political opponents. It is also not praiseworthy to put a Catholic rhetorical veneer on his leftist politics that did nothing to advance true justice as the Church sees it or to advance the peace of Christ in this world. Every indication of Senator Kennedy's career, every public appearance, every sound bite showed an acerbic, divisive and partisan political hack for whom party politics were much more infallible than Church doctrines. Whatever one's political affiliation, if one is only "Catholic" to the extent that his faith rhymes with his party line, then his Catholicism is a fraud.

As the Scriptures remind us, there is a time for everything under the sun. This, now, is the time for honesty about our Faith and about those who are called to express it in the public forum. If we do not remind ourselves of the necessity of public confession for public sins such as Senator Kennedy was guilty of, then we are negligent in our embrace of the Faith and we are part of the problem. As Pope Benedict has reminded us recently, charity without truth can easily become mere sentimentality, and we must not fall into that error. A Catholic show of charity for the family must not eclipse the truth that is required of all with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Senator Kennedy needs to be sent to the afterlife with a private, family-only funeral and the prayers of the Church for the salvation of his immortal soul. He will not be missed by the unborn who he betrayed time and time again, nor by the rest of us who are laboring to undo the scandalous example of Catholicism that he gave to three generations of Americans.

Sincerely,


Rev. Thomas J. Euteneuer,
President, Human Life International

That opinion of an anti-abortion reverend won't even play well with all Catholics. I expect it to be even less well received by the rest of the nation.

Never will understand Catholicism; seems more like a cult (top down control freak) than a mainstream religious denomination, yet I know Catholics who are cool, but they never say how they reconcile their differences with Church doctrine.

Sg

The Church is pretty consistent when it comes to life.... the killing of the unborn and capital punishment are both against the churches teachings.

It also would seem that manslaughter was a possible charge for the crime in 1969.

From Wiki----


Under Massachusetts law Boyle, having found "probable cause" that Kennedy had committed a crime, could have issued a warrant for his arrest, but he did not do so.[33] District Attorney Dinis chose not to pursue Kennedy for manslaughter, despite Judge Boyle's conclusions.

Yet the church looked the other way during the holocaust.

Countless Catholics helped the oppressed during WWII. The underground was made up of many caring, compassionate people and many of them were Catholic.

I don't want to turn this into a thread about religion....I only C&P'd the article because the Reverend stated my sentiments about Ted better than I did.

I certainly can understand peoples' feelings about the Catholic church and there are disagreements that I have regarding their doctrine and dogma.