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#554474 - 11/10/09 05:29 PM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: Wild Chrome]
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Originally Posted By: Wild Chrome
Originally Posted By: BroodBuster

Lets just say I found the Jed Davis book to be one of the worst books ever written on the subject. Any book that states that "Blue Fox spinners are too light and therefor are not a viable steelhead lure," is an idiot. Nuff said........


Realize that Jed co-founded Pen-Tac. I'm not sure that talking down the #1 competitor made him an idiot? Besides, in deep, fast, cold water (ie most winter steelhead water), his statement is true.

The main flaw I find with the book is that he didn't fish much of the northwest before writing it. Most of his fishing experience was in the midwest, southern Willamette Valley, and central Oregon coast. The way fish respond to various spinners in other parts of the northwest is sometimes very different than what Jed wrote. The section on reading water for steelhead based on temperature is the best how-to-read-steelhead-water section I've read in any book. Regardless of how I fish, I still read water with "Jed's eyes".

Also, Jed is a PHD psychologist. This book coined the term "threshhold of attraction", which is the best explaination I've ever heard for why fish bite some lures and not others. I've seen Herzog himself reference the term as revolutionary in the world of steelhead fishing.

The book is a must-have for any serious hardware fisherman.



I'd have ta throw down with Wild Chrome on this.
I think Jed said that the Blue Fox is under-weighted if I recall...and I agree. Properly weighted spinners are more effective than under-weighted spinners.

The BF does make a cute little "ting" when the blade hits the bell, though smile and it does catch fish.
Look at a Blue Fox profile and then look at the Taco Bell logo.....very suspicious. And those Frenchies scorn us for our fast food culture !

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#554524 - 11/10/09 06:25 PM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: Chasin' Chrome]
Eric Offline
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Can't really add to anything that's already been covered other than to say don't "consider" buying.....do it!

A PM to Todd will address any unanswered questions you might have.

As for me, I'm sold on their products. For the price, they are hard to beat; not to mention they work pretty damn well too.

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#554531 - 11/10/09 06:34 PM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: Eric]
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Registered: 10/31/02
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Loc: Monroe,WA.
I used both the spinners and spoons in SE Alaska this fall. They worked well.

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#554642 - 11/11/09 04:24 AM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: Wild Chrome]
BroodBuster Online   sleepy
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Registered: 07/11/04
Posts: 1842
Loc: Bothell, Wa
Originally Posted By: Wild Chrome
Originally Posted By: BroodBuster

Lets just say I found the Jed Davis book to be one of the worst books ever written on the subject. Any book that states that "Blue Fox spinners are too light and therefor are not a viable steelhead lure," is an idiot. Nuff said........


Realize that Jed co-founded Pen-Tac. I'm not sure that talking down the #1 competitor made him an idiot? Besides, in deep, fast, cold water (ie most winter steelhead water), his statement is true.

Also, Jed is a PHD psychologist. This book coined the term "threshhold of attraction", which is the best explanation I've ever heard for why fish bite some lures and not others. I've seen Herzog himself reference the term as revolutionary in the world of steelhead fishing.


If you have to talk down you #1 competitor to sell your product then yes you're an idiot. That and his book wasn't titled "Spinner fishing for winter run steelhead."

Your right however that Blue Foxes aren't a great winter run lures for the reasons you stated. That's why there are Rvrwgglrs and Rvrwrls!

If I needed a PHD to catch steelhead then I wouldn't catch very many steelhead (felt like I needed a PHD just to read the damn thing)! As for the "threshold of attraction" I aint buying it. Am I spooking some fish every day because I'm tossing silver spoons and 6" worms? Probably but do I care? Hell no! I'm fishing for big mean aggressive WILD steelhead that simply don't spook very easily! If I'm fishing for pssy turds well that's what eggs and shrimp are for!

Having said that I do encourage everyone to read every book on steelhead that they can find. Amazing how many little nuggets can be hidden away that just may provide that "aha" moment which, of course, is different for ever angler.


Edited by BroodBuster (11/11/09 04:28 AM)
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#554643 - 11/11/09 04:47 AM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: Direct-Drive]
BroodBuster Online   sleepy
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Originally Posted By: Direct-Drive
The BF does make a cute little "ting" when the blade hits the bell, though smile and it does catch fish.


The "ting-a-ling-a-ling/sploosh-stripstripstrip-ting-a-ling-a-ling/sploosh" of a hot airborne summerrun might very well be the coolest thing I've ever experianced as a steelheader and fortunately I've experianced it 100's of times thanks to Blue Fox spinners. But those same Blue Fox spinners DO NOT SEE THE WATER during the winter months! Which is one reason why I love Joe's spinner design so much because I now have a viable winter run spinner to fish with!
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#554651 - 11/11/09 05:40 AM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
Originally Posted By: Direct-Drive
The BF does make a cute little "ting" when the blade hits the bell, though smile and it does catch fish.


The "ting-a-ling-a-ling/sploosh-stripstripstrip-ting-a-ling-a-ling/sploosh" of a hot airborne summerrun might very well be the coolest thing I've ever experianced as a steelheader and fortunately I've experianced it 100's of times thanks to Blue Fox spinners. But those same Blue Fox spinners DO NOT SEE THE WATER during the winter months! Which is one reason why I love Joe's spinner design so much because I now have a viable winter run spinner to fish with!

Hey BB,

It's OK to be a taco man.
There is a 12-step program for that smile

DD
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#554653 - 11/11/09 05:44 AM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: Direct-Drive]
BroodBuster Online   sleepy
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Registered: 07/11/04
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Loc: Bothell, Wa
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#554784 - 11/11/09 01:26 PM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: BroodBuster]
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Loc: in the mass production zone
when brewer's book is finally finished it will only require a mild buzz to understand. there will be plenty of "aha" nuggets too, however also seasoned equally with useless lumps of "huh?" coal.
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#554998 - 11/11/09 09:02 PM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: Wild Chrome]
fishbadger Offline
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Registered: 03/06/01
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Loc: Gig Harbor, WA
Originally Posted By: Wild Chrome
Originally Posted By: BroodBuster

Lets just say I found the Jed Davis book to be one of the worst books ever written on the subject. Any book that states that "Blue Fox spinners are too light and therefor are not a viable steelhead lure," is an idiot. Nuff said........


Realize that Jed co-founded Pen-Tac. I'm not sure that talking down the #1 competitor made him an idiot? Besides, in deep, fast, cold water (ie most winter steelhead water), his statement is true.

The main flaw I find with the book is that he didn't fish much of the northwest before writing it. Most of his fishing experience was in the midwest, southern Willamette Valley, and central Oregon coast. The way fish respond to various spinners in other parts of the northwest is sometimes very different than what Jed wrote. The section on reading water for steelhead based on temperature is the best how-to-read-steelhead-water section I've read in any book. Regardless of how I fish, I still read water with "Jed's eyes".

Also, Jed is a PHD psychologist. This book coined the term "threshhold of attraction", which is the best explaination I've ever heard for why fish bite some lures and not others. I've seen Herzog himself reference the term as revolutionary in the world of steelhead fishing.

The book is a must-have for any serious hardware fisherman.




W/C's right, especially about the regional focus of the Davis book and how it doesn't apply further north. Still a top 3 book in my fishing library though. Too bad he turned into a bass fisherman cuz I bet he'd have some useful nuggets of info to disseminate these days,

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#555002 - 11/11/09 09:07 PM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: fishbadger]
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as i heard the story JD felt he had mastered the taking of steelhead. he moved onto other ways of fishing.
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#555069 - 11/12/09 12:54 AM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: Brewer]
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Registered: 08/12/09
Posts: 120
I have an idea if you want a deep running spinner try a mepps flying c. I smoked coho on the pink hootchie, silver blade and the orange/ silver bl. River fishers are just another expensive gimmick to buy, don't waste your money. Those sickle hooks look and sound wicked but I like a siwash gami any day, river fisher= false sense of confidence. Blue fox catch more fish than all spinners companies 10 times over. And they are affordable and available anywhere.

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#555076 - 11/12/09 05:12 AM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: salmon bake]
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So 25 guys that I know are great fishermen like rvrfshr products and say they work well and are worth the price and some yokel with a hard-on for Todd has a thought on rvrfshr products. Who to believe?
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#555079 - 11/12/09 05:45 AM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: Jerry Garcia]
BroodBuster Online   sleepy
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Registered: 07/11/04
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Loc: Bothell, Wa
A false sense of confidence sure seems to bring a lot of fish to hand to those 25 yokels laugh
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#555095 - 11/12/09 07:37 AM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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Registered: 06/24/99
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Loc: Ellensburg, WA
Originally Posted By: Jerry Garcia
So 25 guys that I know are great fishermen like rvrfshr products and say they work well and are worth the price and some yokel with a hard-on for Todd has a thought on rvrfshr products. Who to believe?


While I agree with you 100% about Todd's products, those same 25 guys could catch fish with Blue Fox, Pen-Tac, and (gasp) even a Stee Lee because they are good fisherman and know how to read water and present the lure.
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#555103 - 11/12/09 08:22 AM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: The Catcherman]
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Registered: 03/07/99
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Loc: SE Olympia, WA
Originally Posted By: salmon fake
I smoked coho on the pink hootchie, silver blade and the orange/ silver bl.


Sure you did.


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#555124 - 11/12/09 09:27 AM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: Dan S.]
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salmon bake cracks me up...endless fount of hilarity.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. They're not even that expensive, compared to buying Mepps smile

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#555127 - 11/12/09 09:32 AM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: Dan S.]
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Registered: 08/12/09
Posts: 120
Fact is how many times can the wheel be re-invented. There are so many spoons and spinner companies. I built my own spinners for years buying parts from b.c. Angling post. Saying river fisher is THE BEST and only spinner to fish is foolhardy. But go ahead, if that's the lure your confident in, fish it. Hyped out lure on your line can only attract em if you know how to read water.

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#555130 - 11/12/09 09:35 AM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: Brewer]
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Registered: 03/13/09
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Loc: Upyerarseland
Originally Posted By: Brewer
there will be plenty of "aha" nuggets too, however also seasoned equally with useless lumps of "huh?" coal.


It will all be lumps of coal. smile However, there are posters on this board that could place those lumps in their rectum and produce a diamond in a week or two. evil
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#555134 - 11/12/09 09:46 AM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: EnglishPete]
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Originally Posted By: EnglishPete
Originally Posted By: Brewer
there will be plenty of "aha" nuggets too, however also seasoned equally with useless lumps of "huh?" coal.


It will all be lumps of coal. smile However, there are posters on this board that could place those lumps in their rectum and produce a diamond in a week or two. evil


English Pete,

Are you one of those guys? Or do you prefer a nice warm sausage in your rectum? thumbs


Edited by big moby (11/12/09 09:47 AM)
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#555135 - 11/12/09 09:52 AM Re: Rvrfshr Lures/Spinners [Re: salmon bake]
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Registered: 03/26/08
Posts: 1102
Loc: The Rock
Originally Posted By: salmon bake
Those sickle hooks look and sound wicked but I like a siwash gami any day,


Say whatever about the RVRFSTR stuff, I personally like the spinners. But I will tell you with all surety that since I have replaced gami siwashes with the sickle siwashes my catch rates have improved by 25% at least.

Before I would expect to land 50% of the fish I hooked while casting spinners and now I am easily over 75%. It's been a good year to experiment and see what works the best due to the large return of coho on my home rivers.

I'll take a BF spinner in a 5 or 6 with a sickle siwash any day of the week over round style hooks.

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