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#563544 - 12/11/09 06:14 PM Re: Some disturbing numbers for the Quillayute sys [Re: Lucky Louie]
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Originally Posted By: Lucky Louie

The pieces used on this game brought up by people on this thread were: WDFW, tribes, dams, hatcheries, too many guides, over harvest,CnR,Ocean cycles,nets, habitat, hatchery fish mixed in, habitat, predation, better sport fishermen, addiction to harvest, oil, extraction of every resource, sonar of fish runs,logging, climate, cranked up Alaska harvest, By catch from Japan,Alaska, and BC,and over harvest of herring and other forage fish.
At this juncture of the game one or combination of any or all of above pieces used can go straight to the end game so everybody is right.


The main driver that tipped the scale on the downward spiral of fish bio mass was from commercial fishing interest to supply ever increasing global demand of seafood to multi national outlets. The issues in the quote above then falls into place with variable degrees of value. All these important issues are now in play today due to commercial fishing interest dominance in the political arena with little resistance. Trying to get their hands on more product to get to market.
Commercial interests over the decades to 1995 referendum 45, even though a sportsman backed referendum that established the commission as a sounding board for sportsman and authority to make fish and widelife decisions, had a majority of appointments going to people with commercial interest in mind. To present day, has been stacked with commercial fishing interest agenda going on 1/2 century+ to mold the laws in their favor. Another words what the commission uses for decisions today has a commercial based foundation, do to no fault of their own,which is the reason we are in this sad state of affairs with fish in general. This foundation has proved to be cracked and the whole house of cards is on its way to come tumbling down.
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#563554 - 12/11/09 06:29 PM Re: Some disturbing numbers for the Quillayute system [Re: RtndSpawner]
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They are on the honor system just as WDFW is. One thing lost in a lot of the 50/50 harvest debate is that it isn't necessarily 50/50 of every single run. Some runs are harvested more by non-tribal and others by tribal. Also, the split is 50/50 between tribal and non-tribal; meaning that commercial and sport have to split up their 50%.

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#563705 - 12/12/09 11:53 AM Re: Some disturbing numbers for the Quillayute sys [Re: Lucky Louie]
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Originally Posted By: Lucky Louie


The main driver that tipped the scale on the downward spiral of fish bio mass was from commercial fishing interest to supply ever increasing global demand of seafood to multi national outlets. The issues in the quote above then falls into place with variable degrees of value. All these important issues are now in play today due to commercial fishing interest dominance in the political arena with little resistance. Trying to get their hands on more product to get to market.
Commercial interests over the decades to 1995 referendum 45, even though a sportsman backed referendum that established the commission as a sounding board for sportsman and authority to make fish and widelife decisions, had a majority of appointments going to people with commercial interest in mind. To present day, has been stacked with commercial fishing interest agenda going on 1/2 century+ to mold the laws in their favor. Another words what the commission uses for decisions today has a commercial based foundation, do to no fault of their own,which is the reason we are in this sad state of affairs with fish in general. This foundation has proved to be cracked and the whole house of cards is on its way to come tumbling down.


We have given the commercial fish interest in this state and around the world a huge head start with some to little resistance and look where it has gotten us.If you don't like what you see and where we are going with the take take take mentality, it's time to change this model. IT IS BROKEN. When you try to add building blocks onto a broken or weak foundation, like the commission of WDFW is trying to do, you are only destined to fail. We need to change the model not the commission.
When negative legislation appears impacting fish in general, there has to be 2 sides of the story not just one. A majority of our state legislators are receptive and want to do right when it comes to the plight of the fish that impacts their families as well as ours presently and for generations to come.

Excellent thread with a treasure chest fortune of hyperlink information by NW Steel with Ocean Distribution and Migration of Steel and WN1A with NPAFC report.
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