We have had debates and grandstanding regarding the debate on the public option on Healthcare. Should we look at a national referendum and ask what the majority of Americans want? I'd like to do a poll and ask PP people where they stand on this issue.

No with a capital F.

21 views and 9 votes. Should I have added an I don't know selection?

Please vote either way, it's a fairly straight forward question.. Do you want more or less government in your life.

Captain

This statement clearly shows that you don't have a basic understanding of the simplistic nature of an option. Therefore, it implies that you can't possibly grasp the complexities of your own poll.

But since you're so a-skeered of gubmint control, ask yourself this simple question: what better defines one's control over another; offering that person options, or no options?

All of that drivel, above, and ya really didn't say a damn thing of value to anyone.

ISO

KK and goharley ...someone piss in your oatmeal this morning? The vote so far is not reflecting your views. Evidently you are as far detached as the government is with the voters.

Most of the ways I've seen liberals debate an issue is by personal attack.

Guess it's time to set the hook! Fish on. Looks like a double.

Captain

Yeah, uh-huh, sure. Typical moronic attempt at recovery. When the ignorant get pointed out as just that, it's, "Yeah, I meant to do that."

What a maroon.

Maroon?

Captain

Pretty simple pop culture reference. Unless you were shacked away in some Freedom Fighter's cabin a-feared the gubmint was watchin' ya.

Public Health Option...Does that mean doing simple procedures in your own kitchen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or-g5SIvv1o

KK, most of what you sell on here can easily be googled and shows that you don't really have an original thought. Only a few jabs, some name calling, and a look down the end of your nose.

Currently, members of Congress have a variety of healthcare plans and providers available to them under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, although senators have been considering some type of congressional requirement as part of any bill. Vitter said he did not know when a vote would be likely, as Republicans are currently organizing their amendments “thematically” in preparation for the coming floor debate.

goharley - Pop culture? Is that a Michael Jackson wanna be thing? How's that workin' for you?

KK - I consider liberalism a metal illness so I choose not to respond to your comments as a matter of compassion and sympathy. To put it bluntly, you speak well but your thinking is screwed up. Seems that your Messiah is of the same ilk.

Captain

Michael Jackson? Really?

To paraphrase a well known cliche (well known to the aware, anyway): It's best to let people think you're an idiot rather than continue posting here to remove all doubt.

goharley - Thanks! You are quoting me on a previous post.

Keep this up and I'll have to get another punch card.


Take care!

Captain

I don't understand how health care gets reformed without a public option. Of course, lacking a definition of what the public option is, still leaves the whole reform idea a bit vague. Yet without some type of public option, how is there any incentive for the existing private insurance companies to do anything differently from how they do it now? It seems like the only way private insurance companies are going to change is with a "public option" that provides the same product for less money or more product for the same money as the privates presently charge.

If one version of a public option is to form a massive consumer pool that will comprise a "group" program like the FEHB, that should be a good thing. I have FEHB, and numerous insurers compete to offer plans to obtain gov't. employees' business. It ain't cheap, and it ain't the cradle to grave complete coverage that some folks think all gov't. employees have, but it gives every gov't. employee a shot at competitively priced health insurance programs.

As an aside, I was surprised to read during all this health care debate that members of Congress have exactly the same health insurance options that I do. I had long succumbed to the popular, but wrong, belief that Senators and Congressmen had given themselves total health care 100% paid for by taxpayers. I actually have slightly more respect for them knowing that they don't.

An alternative public option would be one that makes the federal gov't. the "insurance company." That really seems to bother a lot of people, since it's common to believe that the gov't. can't do anything efficiently or competitively. However, if that is the case, than the public option won't be chosen by anyone, because the private insurers would be offering better plans for less money. Seems like insurance companies don't have anything to worry about - - - unless we're all wrong about the gov'ts. ability to provide a more cost competitive health insurance plan.

Sg

Thanks Salmo g and Hankster for the discussion. THIS is what I was hoping for in this poll.......a discussion.

It's my opinion that if the government would manage our healthcare, it will be done poorly and the insurance will end up costing us more with less options until it goes broke. History will repeat itself.

It's also my opinion that no US citizen should be denied healthcare because either they cannot afford it or have pre-existing conditions.

Illegals............that's another issue.

Thanks again guys for your thoughts.

Captain

The thing is though Captain... we're NOT talking about a Universal Healthcare plan administered SOLELY by the govt. We're talking about an OPTION... a CHOICE for people who, for whatever reason cannot afford private insurance. If your private plan suits you... there is NO mandate to have to change.

That's been the major problem with the health care debate so far. There is so much misinformation and misunderstanding going on... most of which is politically motivated... that most people simply do not understand what having a public option as part of healthcare reform would really mean.

As far as existing govt. plans being inefficient go... I think Medicare, Tricare and the VA have a pretty good track record so far... with a very high rate of satisfaction among those using them.

Trying to reason with people like Captain & his lil cheerleader Chuckie is like trying to reason with a table, cordwood, a stump, or a rock.

It maybe well intentioned, but in reality you're far better off just using them in the creation of a bonfire.

At least that way someone benefits at least a little bit from their existence. Just enjoy the heat and don't mind the funny burnt bacon smell.

It's free entertainment here. Thanks Bob! Put up a picture, throw a jab or two, but never address the issue.

Dan, the only sand is what's left from your lover after he pounds your tailpipe while you two are rolling on the beach. Do you have an original thought or are you the orifice that echoes KK's moans?.