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#563715 - 12/12/09 12:44 PM Public option on Healthcare? **
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We have had debates and grandstanding regarding the debate on the public option on Healthcare. Should we look at a national referendum and ask what the majority of Americans want? I'd like to do a poll and ask PP people where they stand on this issue.
Public option on Healthcare
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Votes accepted starting: 12/12/09 12:43 PM
You must vote before you can view the results of this poll.


Edited by Captain (12/12/09 01:03 PM)

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#563728 - 12/12/09 01:32 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
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No with a capital F.
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#563734 - 12/12/09 01:48 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Sol Duc]
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21 views and 9 votes. Should I have added an I don't know selection?

Please vote either way, it's a fairly straight forward question.. Do you want more or less government in your life.

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#563737 - 12/12/09 02:08 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
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Originally Posted By: Captain
Do you want more or less government in your life.
This statement clearly shows that you don't have a basic understanding of the simplistic nature of an option. Therefore, it implies that you can't possibly grasp the complexities of your own poll.

But since you're so a-skeered of gubmint control, ask yourself this simple question: what better defines one's control over another; offering that person options, or no options?
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#563748 - 12/12/09 02:50 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid

The framing of Captain's last post shows he hasn't a clue...............not even a hint of where or which direction to even begin to look for a clue, about what the Public Option is. This is Sarah Palin like in its' moronic narure, and Beck like in its rhetorical flourish. Only a complete sh!tstain would even begin to believe such a notion.

I don't suffer dumbsh!ts all that well ...............and lord knows there a plenty of them on any health care thread. After the better part of a year it's surprising that Captain can be so abjectly ignorant, but then again..................idiots aren't hard to find these days.................especially in the GOP.

grin



All of that drivel, above, and ya really didn't say a damn thing of value to anyone. rofl

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#563756 - 12/12/09 03:29 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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KK and goharley ...someone piss in your oatmeal this morning? The vote so far is not reflecting your views. Evidently you are as far detached as the government is with the voters.

Most of the ways I've seen liberals debate an issue is by personal attack.

Guess it's time to set the hook! Fish on. Looks like a double.

Captain

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#563758 - 12/12/09 03:40 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
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Originally Posted By: Captain
Guess it's time to set the hook! Fish on. Looks like a double.
Yeah, uh-huh, sure. Typical moronic attempt at recovery. When the ignorant get pointed out as just that, it's, "Yeah, I meant to do that." rofl

What a maroon.
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#563775 - 12/12/09 04:42 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: goharley]
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Maroon?

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#563839 - 12/12/09 08:51 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
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Pretty simple pop culture reference. Unless you were shacked away in some Freedom Fighter's cabin a-feared the gubmint was watchin' ya.
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#563871 - 12/13/09 12:19 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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Public Health Option...Does that mean doing simple procedures in your own kitchen? wink
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Edited by stonefish (12/13/09 12:30 AM)
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#563906 - 12/13/09 12:03 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
Currently, members of Congress have a variety of healthcare plans and providers available to them under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, although senators have been considering some type of congressional requirement as part of any bill. There was an ammendment offered what would have Congress participate in whatever Public Option was in the final legislation earlier , and another will be offered laer next week.


The framing of Captain's last post shows he hasn't a clue...............not even a hint of where or which direction to even begin to look for a clue, about what the Public Option is. This is Sarah Palin like in its' moronic nature, and Beck like in its rhetorical flourish. Only a complete sh!tstain would even begin to believe such a notion.

I don't suffer dumbsh!ts all that well ...............and lord knows there a plenty of them on any health care thread. After the better part of a year it's surprising that Captain can be so abjectly ignorant, but then again..................idiots aren't hard to find these days.................especially in the GOP.

grin


KK, most of what you sell on here can easily be googled and shows that you don't really have an original thought. Only a few jabs, some name calling, and a look down the end of your nose.

Currently, members of Congress have a variety of healthcare plans and providers available to them under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, although senators have been considering some type of congressional requirement as part of any bill. Vitter said he did not know when a vote would be likely, as Republicans are currently organizing their amendments “thematically” in preparation for the coming floor debate.
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#563917 - 12/13/09 01:28 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: wntrrn]
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#563974 - 12/13/09 06:54 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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goharley - Pop culture? Is that a Michael Jackson wanna be thing? How's that workin' for you?

KK - I consider liberalism a metal illness so I choose not to respond to your comments as a matter of compassion and sympathy. To put it bluntly, you speak well but your thinking is screwed up. Seems that your Messiah is of the same ilk.

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#563978 - 12/13/09 07:04 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
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Michael Jackson? Really? rofl

To paraphrase a well known cliche (well known to the aware, anyway): It's best to let people think you're an idiot rather than continue posting here to remove all doubt.
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#563981 - 12/13/09 07:17 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: goharley]
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goharley - Thanks! You are quoting me on a previous post.

Keep this up and I'll have to get another punch card.


Take care!

Captain


Edited by Captain (12/13/09 07:19 PM)

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#564001 - 12/13/09 08:40 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
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I don't understand how health care gets reformed without a public option. Of course, lacking a definition of what the public option is, still leaves the whole reform idea a bit vague. Yet without some type of public option, how is there any incentive for the existing private insurance companies to do anything differently from how they do it now? It seems like the only way private insurance companies are going to change is with a "public option" that provides the same product for less money or more product for the same money as the privates presently charge.

If one version of a public option is to form a massive consumer pool that will comprise a "group" program like the FEHB, that should be a good thing. I have FEHB, and numerous insurers compete to offer plans to obtain gov't. employees' business. It ain't cheap, and it ain't the cradle to grave complete coverage that some folks think all gov't. employees have, but it gives every gov't. employee a shot at competitively priced health insurance programs.

As an aside, I was surprised to read during all this health care debate that members of Congress have exactly the same health insurance options that I do. I had long succumbed to the popular, but wrong, belief that Senators and Congressmen had given themselves total health care 100% paid for by taxpayers. I actually have slightly more respect for them knowing that they don't.

An alternative public option would be one that makes the federal gov't. the "insurance company." That really seems to bother a lot of people, since it's common to believe that the gov't. can't do anything efficiently or competitively. However, if that is the case, than the public option won't be chosen by anyone, because the private insurers would be offering better plans for less money. Seems like insurance companies don't have anything to worry about - - - unless we're all wrong about the gov'ts. ability to provide a more cost competitive health insurance plan.

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#564020 - 12/13/09 09:41 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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Thanks Salmo g and Hankster for the discussion. THIS is what I was hoping for in this poll.......a discussion.

It's my opinion that if the government would manage our healthcare, it will be done poorly and the insurance will end up costing us more with less options until it goes broke. History will repeat itself.

It's also my opinion that no US citizen should be denied healthcare because either they cannot afford it or have pre-existing conditions.

Illegals............that's another issue.

Thanks again guys for your thoughts.

Captain

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#564039 - 12/13/09 10:50 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
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The thing is though Captain... we're NOT talking about a Universal Healthcare plan administered SOLELY by the govt. We're talking about an OPTION... a CHOICE for people who, for whatever reason cannot afford private insurance. If your private plan suits you... there is NO mandate to have to change.

That's been the major problem with the health care debate so far. There is so much misinformation and misunderstanding going on... most of which is politically motivated... that most people simply do not understand what having a public option as part of healthcare reform would really mean.

As far as existing govt. plans being inefficient go... I think Medicare, Tricare and the VA have a pretty good track record so far... with a very high rate of satisfaction among those using them.
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#564071 - 12/14/09 03:11 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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Trying to reason with people like Captain & his lil cheerleader Chuckie is like trying to reason with a table, cordwood, a stump, or a rock.

It maybe well intentioned, but in reality you're far better off just using them in the creation of a bonfire.

At least that way someone benefits at least a little bit from their existence. Just enjoy the heat and don't mind the funny burnt bacon smell.

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#564085 - 12/14/09 10:25 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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It's free entertainment here. Thanks Bob! Put up a picture, throw a jab or two, but never address the issue.

Dan, the only sand is what's left from your lover after he pounds your tailpipe while you two are rolling on the beach. Do you have an original thought or are you the orifice that echoes KK's moans?.
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#564087 - 12/14/09 10:48 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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The national debt is the largest it has ever been. I don't know how most people run their finances. The way I run mine is that if you don't have the money to pay for something, you don't put it on a credit card and hope that one day you win big at a casino so you can pay it off. I just don't buy it or I worked two or three jobs and paid cash for what I purchased.

I like the trend I see in America these days. Most people are saving more and paying off their credit cards and first and second mortgages. They are not using the equity in their homes like an ATM any longer. I beleive the reason for the equity not being used is that people are upside down in their homes now.

With that being said, How in the world can we afford another trillion dollars of debt? Our lawmakers need to take the same stance. I believe this is what the majority of people in this country want. However, our lawmakers continue to spend money like a drunk Marine on R&R in Bangkok. This is creating the perfect storm for those that have lost touch with the voters in their state and districts. It will be no surprise to me if they are ousted next election. I hope it's not too late by then.

This is not a Republican or Democrat issue..It's an American issue. The comments made about different ways to reform healthcare have been made on both sides of the polictical spectrum. It's my opnion that if we would open the competition by creating an insurance pool we may see a better value in the marketplace.

In the current market I will pay around $9500. for health, vision and dental insurance for just my wife next year. If I had access to an insurance pool, I'm sure I'd get it cheaper and pehaps a better quality product than I have now. This is where our lawmakers need to be. Looking for a way to create an environment through competition not taking over another industry and monopolizing the source.

Thanks for the discussion. It looks like our current poll numbers reflect what the polls are saying nationally.

Captain

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#564120 - 12/14/09 12:49 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
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Originally Posted By: Captain
It's my opnion that if we would open the competition by creating an insurance pool we may see a better value in the marketplace.
Which is precisely what the Public Option is intended to do, you idiot. You're not even bright enough to understand you're own opinion. rofl
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#564126 - 12/14/09 12:59 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: goharley]
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This is where our lawmakers need to be. Looking for a way to create an environment through competition not taking over another industry and monopolizing the source.

goharley-Private sector! No goverment ran system. This is what America wants.

Captain

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#564130 - 12/14/09 01:08 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
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A "public option" is just that...an "option".

The lawmakers that talk about 'socializing' medicine are talking out their asses, and they know it...unfortunately the base they are pandering to actually believes it.

Pure electioneering that has nothing whatsoever to do with reality.

Fish on...

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#564139 - 12/14/09 01:45 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: SandyVag
Dan, the only sand is what's left from your lover after he pounds your tailpipe while you two are rolling on the beach. Do you have an original thought or are you the orifice that echoes KK's moans?.


Need a tissue?

Or perhaps a garden hose?

If you set yourself on fire right now, you'd be done crying in a matter of minutes.
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#564140 - 12/14/09 01:47 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
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Originally Posted By: Captain
This is where our lawmakers need to be. Looking for a way to create an environment through competition ... Private sector! No goverment ran system.
So you want the government to come up with the solution, divise the system, and then turn it over to the private sector to run it... like they did the banking industry? Savings and loan industry? Real estate industry? rofl TFF

The private sector is precisely why we're in this mess.
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#564144 - 12/14/09 02:08 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: goharley]
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Originally Posted By: Captain
This is where our lawmakers need to be. Looking for a way to create an environment through competition ... Private sector! No goverment ran system.
So you want the government to come up with the solution, divise the system, and then turn it over to the private sector to run it... like they did the banking industry? Savings and loan industry? Real estate industry? rofl TFF

The private sector is precisely why we're in this mess.


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#564169 - 12/14/09 04:12 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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Dan, can I send you a pair of lifters for your shoes? Or do you just want to act like a little girl the rest of your life. I do feel bad picking on a little snot nosed kid so please let me know how many inches it would take so you can look the rest of us in the eye.

Public option. I think they finally figured it out. A nonprofit organization that gives us a choice. Sounds reasonable to me.
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#564177 - 12/14/09 04:49 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: wntrrn]
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Awww.

Crying again, huh Nancy?

Face it...........you can't help yourself. You open your mouth, and crying little bitch sounds come out.

Just like the sun rising in the east.
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#564194 - 12/14/09 05:35 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
If govt was a business it would have been on the street decades ago.
And how many large companies would exist today without government intervention in the form of tax breaks, subsidies, TARP, etc.
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#564210 - 12/14/09 06:05 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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#564211 - 12/14/09 06:10 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
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Originally Posted By: Captain
I like the trend I see in America these days. Most people are saving more and paying off their credit cards and first and second mortgages. They are not using the equity in their homes like an ATM any longer. I beleive the reason for the equity not being used is that people are upside down in their homes now.


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#564212 - 12/14/09 06:10 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: goharley]
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The people of America do not want this public option, nor the bill they are working on.

From Real Clear Politics, here are the latest poll numbers on Obamacare:

RCP Average: Favor 37.7%, Oppose 53.5%. Spread -15.8%

Rasmussen: Favor 40%, Oppose 56%. Spread -16%

FOX News: Favor 34%, Oppose 57%. Spread -23%

CNN/Opinion Research: Favor 36%, Oppose 61%. Spread -25%

Quinnipiac: Favor 38%, Oppose 52%. Spread -14%

Gallup: Favor 44%, Oppose 49%. Spread -5%

Ipsos/McClatchy: Favor 34%, Oppose 46%. Spread -12%

Clearly, the American people are speaking out...unfortunately, the politicians in WA are deafer than I am and can't seem to hear.

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#564287 - 12/14/09 09:30 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
What the hell is wrong with you?

Being a Cooger and a Zaggot fan is bad enough. But if you're going to take on some anti-Husky stance, then I'm afraid your ass is back on the list. And moving slow like you are right now isn't going to improve your odds for survival.

Don't say I didn't warn you when you see the flames.

smile
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#564317 - 12/14/09 10:44 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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#564359 - 12/15/09 12:25 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
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Originally Posted By: Captain
This is where our lawmakers need to be. Looking for a way to create an environment through competition not taking over another industry and monopolizing the source.

goharley-Private sector! No goverment ran system. This is what America wants.

Captain



The large national polls show America does want the public option. But no matter what they want, most don’t seem to understand what they are talking about. No government run system sounds good, but wait now. What about Medicare and Medicaid, two really good systems whereby the government pays for the care of folks who get to choose who they see, when they see them, and why they see them. (Oh yeah, they are going broke!!! All programs go broke if not funded. Duh. Want them to not go broke? Institute a reasonable funding system, perhaps as part of a national health care program) Or for a true government run health care system look at military and veterans hospitals. They seem to be doing just fine. As a disabled vet I can use the Seattle, VA health care system, and as a consultant I have visited many other VA hospitals. They are great.
Yeah, the gubmint health care would sure suck; just ask anyone over 65 if they like Medicare? As a disabled vet if they like the VA hospitals.

New Poll: 77 Percent Support "Choice" Of Public Option Aug 20, 2009 ... In the NBC poll, 53 percent of respondents said they favored the ..... 34% support having a choice if you have a government option, ...
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../new-poll-77-percent-suppo_n_264375.html - Cached




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#564367 - 12/15/09 12:32 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Dave Vedder]
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Teabagger Chant:

"No Public Option, but don't touch our Medicare!"

That's the anti-public option morons we're dealing with...and when I say "we", I mean anyone who can think beyond what they hear on the radio or see on TV.

Fish on...

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#564389 - 12/15/09 01:19 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Todd]
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I know plenty of people on Medicare and Medicaid....and they hate it. They all wish they had their healthcare plan that they were on before they retired. I also spent two weeks in a VA hospital, it was the worst medical facility that I have ever been in and have not been back since.

This is my experience. I don't have to listen to the radio or watch TV to know what is right or wrong. I believe I know more about my experience than you. If you want to be taken care of by the government, go ahead. I just don't want to pay for it.

Peace

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#564391 - 12/15/09 01:32 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
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Originally Posted By: Captain
I know plenty of people on Medicare and Medicaid....and they hate it. They all wish they had their healthcare plan that they were on before they retired. I also spent two weeks in a VA hospital, it was the worst medical facility that I have ever been in and have not been back since.

This is my experience. I don't have to listen to the radio or watch TV to know what is right or wrong. I believe I know more about my experience than you. If you want to be taken care of by the government, go ahead. I just don't want to pay for it.

Peace

Captain out.







No schit, Sherlock.
Hey Cap'n Obvious, I bet they also wish they had their income from before they retired, and I bet they could afford a private healthplan on the income they had before they retired. And I bet wish they could afford a healthplan now.

And one thing I can guarantee:

They wish senior citizens received fatter Soc. Security checks and better health coverage....from the government.


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#564399 - 12/15/09 01:48 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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If you want to buy the same plan you had when you were working...well, then don't retire.

Once you do, and you start sucking the Gubmint [censored] and getting Medicare...quit yer bitchin'.

I mean, if you kept working, or didn't piss your money away on buying a Hummer or investing in Ponzi schemes to get rich quick, then you'd still be able to afford your plan.

Once you can't afford your plan, or suck off your employer in fine socialist form and have him pay for it...then welcome to the world of millions of folks who can't afford health insurance.

Fish on...

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#564436 - 12/15/09 09:53 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
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"I mean, if you kept working, or didn't piss your money away on buying a Hummer or investing in Ponzi schemes to get rich quick, then you'd still be able to afford your plan."


Good advice Todd. That's what I did!

Captain


Edited by Captain (12/15/09 09:56 AM)

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#564445 - 12/15/09 10:52 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
goharley Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
Loc: U.S. Army
Originally Posted By: Captain
"I mean, if you kept working, or didn't piss your money away on buying a Hummer or investing in Ponzi schemes to get rich quick, then you'd still be able to afford your plan."


Good advice Todd. That's what I did!

Captain
Really? Then why did you just spend two weeks in a VA hospital? Why didn't you just use your private plan you pay for to stay in a quality for-profit private sector hospital? And who paid for that VA stay? I'm guessing we did, you ungrateful [censored].

And for your friends that hate Medicare, who's holding a gun to their head? Why don't they just go out and buy a private sector policy from a for-profit insurance company? Surely it's not because they can't afford it.
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#564449 - 12/15/09 11:11 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
Dave Vedder Offline
Reverend Tarpones

Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
Originally Posted By: Captain
I know plenty of people on Medicare and Medicaid....and they hate it. They all wish they had their healthcare plan that they were on before they retired. I also spent two weeks in a VA hospital, it was the worst medical facility that I have ever been in and have not been back since.

This is my experience. I don't have to listen to the radio or watch TV to know what is right or wrong. I believe I know more about my experience than you. If you want to be taken care of by the government, go ahead. I just don't want to pay for it.

Peace

Captain out. Strange your experience is so different than most of us. I know few people on Medicaid, as that’s a non contributory welfare plan. But I bet you knew that. Those I know who are using Medicare, including myself simply love it. Try to change it and hear the nationwide howl.

As for your experience in the VA hospital, I am a bit surprised. I have personally been in, and toured many VA hospitals as part of my job. Seattle's is old, but undergoing a major renovation. Many other VA hospitals are state of the art. Note president get their care at an army hospitals.

You think Medicare retirees all hate it because it’s not as good as their coverage when employed. Again, your social circles may be a bit limited and underfed. In fact, a huge number of workers no have zero health insurance and that percentage is growing daily. I would guess those folks find some coverage waaaaay better than none.
One of my good friends endured serious pain for months waiting for Medicare to kick in. Once he was eligible, he got the care he needed. Ask him about Medicare.

As for cost, many of us who had employer coverage had to pay a significant amount out of pocket for that coverage. I was paying roughly $700 a month as my share. Once Medicare kicked in my supplemental policy was only $350 per month, so I got the same coverage as before and lowered my cost by $350.00


When you make remarks like "They all...” it immediately makes me discount any further arguments.

The bottom line is this nation would be in bad shape without Medicare and Medicaid. Of course most Republicans opposed those bill as well. Just as they did Social Security. I see a trend here.



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#564460 - 12/15/09 12:03 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
Dave Vedder Offline
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Registered: 10/09/02
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Loc: West Duvall
Sooooo, perhaps if we adequatly funded the government health care systems . . . ?
I work with VA based, non-profit research organizations. There are roughly 70 of them, and they are seing some decent funding increases.
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#564488 - 12/15/09 02:20 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
Captain Offline
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Posts: 318
Loc: Enumclaw, Washington, USA
go harley - I was 19 and had no other options. I have had options since. Options that I made.

Ungrateful? We paid for it? I doubt from the sounds of your posts that you were old enough to pay for anything. In case you are in doubt my parents were married.

My friends have no choice........I do.

Stam - I'll share if you do! My jeep still needs to be painted. Take care brother!

Captain

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#564515 - 12/15/09 04:01 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
goharley Offline
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Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
Loc: U.S. Army
By the sound of your posts, I'll bet your parents were related in more ways than just marriage.

So the American taxpayer paid for your 2 weeks in a VA hospital because you claim you had no other options. Yet you don't want any other Americans to be offered any options on your dime. You claim your friends hate Medicare but have no other option, and yet you don't want to afford them any options on your dime.

You're a swell guy; with a friend like you they don't need enemies.
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#564529 - 12/15/09 04:45 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
AP a.k.a. Kaiser D Offline
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Registered: 01/31/02
Posts: 4450
Loc: B'ham
Originally Posted By: Captain
I know plenty of people on Medicare and Medicaid....and they hate it. They all wish they had their healthcare plan that they were on before they retired.


This is what we're workin' with.

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#564715 - 12/16/09 09:26 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
shinything Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 194
Loc: kitsap
The large national polls show America does want the public option. But no matter what they want, most don’t seem to understand what they are talking about.

I always love hearing that from the left.

What does that say about our president then?????

Were the people that voted for him just as ignorant?

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#564724 - 12/16/09 10:08 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
shinything Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 194
Loc: kitsap
I do not think it matters.I believe that the libs are willing to throw quite a bit under the bus to get this.

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#564813 - 12/16/09 02:43 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: shinything]
Salmo g. Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13622
Originally Posted By: shinything
The large national polls show America does want the public option. But no matter what they want, most don’t seem to understand what they are talking about.

I always love hearing that from the left.

What does that say about our president then?????

Were the people that voted for him just as ignorant?





LC,

Many of the people who voted for Obama are about as ignorant as many of the people who voted for Bush. Ignorance is an epidemic in the U.S. Not that this has much to do with the health care debate.

Sg

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#564816 - 12/16/09 02:56 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Salmo g.]
shinything Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 194
Loc: kitsap
agree

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#564905 - 12/16/09 07:02 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: shinything]
IrishRogue Offline
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Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 1714
Loc: Yarrow Point
Actually, Salmo, I think ignorance has a LOT to do with the healthcare debate, actually.

Ignorance is what causes so many of our children to be obese.

Ignorance is what causes so many expectant mothers to not get appropriate pre-natal care.

Ignorance is what causes people to succumb to the arguments of shrill sound-bite voices on the left and right on this pivotal issue.

Ignorance is what causes people to not value education for their children, and neither support the schools, nor require their kids do well in school--perpetuating all of the above to the next generation.
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#564907 - 12/16/09 07:19 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: IrishRogue]
shinything Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 194
Loc: kitsap
Apathy causing ignorance,that is the reel problem.

Because of this people are voting with their emotions instead of their critical thought process.

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#564918 - 12/16/09 07:55 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: shinything]
Captain Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 10/16/99
Posts: 318
Loc: Enumclaw, Washington, USA
Well said Irish Rogue!

Captain

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#564971 - 12/16/09 10:36 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
Salmo g. Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13622
IR,

Quite true. I was thinking about being directly related, but ignorance certainly qualifies under the indirect, inter-related and inter-dependent, extant but for . . . contingency, etc.

I really liked the byline that Todd used to use, "stupidity should hurt." Often it does, but the damn thing is that stupid people hurt without knowing that it's their stupidity that's causing them to hurt. Oh sh!t, it's about time to crack open a bottle . . .

Sg

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#565085 - 12/17/09 11:16 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: shinything]
alanmikkelsen Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 09/27/06
Posts: 209
Loc: St. Ignatius, MT
Originally Posted By: shinything
Apathy causing ignorance,that is the reel problem.


Ahhh, who cares????
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#565089 - 12/17/09 11:33 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: alanmikkelsen]
shinything Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 194
Loc: kitsap
How often do you here those exact words?

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