The national debt is the largest it has ever been. I don't know how most people run their finances. The way I run mine is that if you don't have the money to pay for something, you don't put it on a credit card and hope that one day you win big at a casino so you can pay it off. I just don't buy it or I worked two or three jobs and paid cash for what I purchased.

I like the trend I see in America these days. Most people are saving more and paying off their credit cards and first and second mortgages. They are not using the equity in their homes like an ATM any longer. I beleive the reason for the equity not being used is that people are upside down in their homes now.

With that being said, How in the world can we afford another trillion dollars of debt? Our lawmakers need to take the same stance. I believe this is what the majority of people in this country want. However, our lawmakers continue to spend money like a drunk Marine on R&R in Bangkok. This is creating the perfect storm for those that have lost touch with the voters in their state and districts. It will be no surprise to me if they are ousted next election. I hope it's not too late by then.

This is not a Republican or Democrat issue..It's an American issue. The comments made about different ways to reform healthcare have been made on both sides of the polictical spectrum. It's my opnion that if we would open the competition by creating an insurance pool we may see a better value in the marketplace.

In the current market I will pay around $9500. for health, vision and dental insurance for just my wife next year. If I had access to an insurance pool, I'm sure I'd get it cheaper and pehaps a better quality product than I have now. This is where our lawmakers need to be. Looking for a way to create an environment through competition not taking over another industry and monopolizing the source.

Thanks for the discussion. It looks like our current poll numbers reflect what the polls are saying nationally.

Captain

Which is precisely what the Public Option is intended to do, you idiot. You're not even bright enough to understand you're own opinion.

This is where our lawmakers need to be. Looking for a way to create an environment through competition not taking over another industry and monopolizing the source.

goharley-Private sector! No goverment ran system. This is what America wants.

Captain

A "public option" is just that...an "option".

The lawmakers that talk about 'socializing' medicine are talking out their asses, and they know it...unfortunately the base they are pandering to actually believes it.

Pure electioneering that has nothing whatsoever to do with reality.

Fish on...

Todd

Need a tissue?

Or perhaps a garden hose?

If you set yourself on fire right now, you'd be done crying in a matter of minutes.

So you want the government to come up with the solution, divise the system, and then turn it over to the private sector to run it... like they did the banking industry? Savings and loan industry? Real estate industry? TFF

The private sector is precisely why we're in this mess.

+ 350,000,000

Dan, can I send you a pair of lifters for your shoes? Or do you just want to act like a little girl the rest of your life. I do feel bad picking on a little snot nosed kid so please let me know how many inches it would take so you can look the rest of us in the eye.

Public option. I think they finally figured it out. A nonprofit organization that gives us a choice. Sounds reasonable to me.

Awww.

Crying again, huh Nancy?

Face it...........you can't help yourself. You open your mouth, and crying little bitch sounds come out.

Just like the sun rising in the east.

And how many large companies would exist today without government intervention in the form of tax breaks, subsidies, TARP, etc.

Raygun proved that deficits don't matter.

This is what we're workin' with.

The people of America do not want this public option, nor the bill they are working on.

From Real Clear Politics, here are the latest poll numbers on Obamacare:

RCP Average: Favor 37.7%, Oppose 53.5%. Spread -15.8%

Rasmussen: Favor 40%, Oppose 56%. Spread -16%

FOX News: Favor 34%, Oppose 57%. Spread -23%

CNN/Opinion Research: Favor 36%, Oppose 61%. Spread -25%

Quinnipiac: Favor 38%, Oppose 52%. Spread -14%

Gallup: Favor 44%, Oppose 49%. Spread -5%

Ipsos/McClatchy: Favor 34%, Oppose 46%. Spread -12%

Clearly, the American people are speaking out...unfortunately, the politicians in WA are deafer than I am and can't seem to hear.

ISO

What the hell is wrong with you?

Being a Cooger and a Zaggot fan is bad enough. But if you're going to take on some anti-Husky stance, then I'm afraid your ass is back on the list. And moving slow like you are right now isn't going to improve your odds for survival.

Don't say I didn't warn you when you see the flames.

The large national polls show America does want the public option. But no matter what they want, most don’t seem to understand what they are talking about. No government run system sounds good, but wait now. What about Medicare and Medicaid, two really good systems whereby the government pays for the care of folks who get to choose who they see, when they see them, and why they see them. (Oh yeah, they are going broke!!! All programs go broke if not funded. Duh. Want them to not go broke? Institute a reasonable funding system, perhaps as part of a national health care program) Or for a true government run health care system look at military and veterans hospitals. They seem to be doing just fine. As a disabled vet I can use the Seattle, VA health care system, and as a consultant I have visited many other VA hospitals. They are great.
Yeah, the gubmint health care would sure suck; just ask anyone over 65 if they like Medicare? As a disabled vet if they like the VA hospitals.

New Poll: 77 Percent Support "Choice" Of Public Option Aug 20, 2009 ... In the NBC poll, 53 percent of respondents said they favored the ..... 34% support having a choice if you have a government option, ...
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../new-poll-77-percent-suppo_n_264375.html - Cached

Teabagger Chant:

"No Public Option, but don't touch our Medicare!"

That's the anti-public option morons we're dealing with...and when I say "we", I mean anyone who can think beyond what they hear on the radio or see on TV.

Fish on...

Todd

I know plenty of people on Medicare and Medicaid....and they hate it. They all wish they had their healthcare plan that they were on before they retired. I also spent two weeks in a VA hospital, it was the worst medical facility that I have ever been in and have not been back since.

This is my experience. I don't have to listen to the radio or watch TV to know what is right or wrong. I believe I know more about my experience than you. If you want to be taken care of by the government, go ahead. I just don't want to pay for it.

Peace

Captain out.

No schit, Sherlock.
Hey Cap'n Obvious, I bet they also wish they had their income from before they retired, and I bet they could afford a private healthplan on the income they had before they retired. And I bet wish they could afford a healthplan now.

And one thing I can guarantee:

They wish senior citizens received fatter Soc. Security checks and better health coverage....from the government.

If you want to buy the same plan you had when you were working...well, then don't retire.

Once you do, and you start sucking the Gubmint [censored] and getting Medicare...quit yer bitchin'.

I mean, if you kept working, or didn't piss your money away on buying a Hummer or investing in Ponzi schemes to get rich quick, then you'd still be able to afford your plan.

Once you can't afford your plan, or suck off your employer in fine socialist form and have him pay for it...then welcome to the world of millions of folks who can't afford health insurance.

Fish on...

Todd