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#564436 - 12/15/09 09:53 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? ** [Re: ]
Captain Offline
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Registered: 10/16/99
Posts: 318
Loc: Enumclaw, Washington, USA
"I mean, if you kept working, or didn't piss your money away on buying a Hummer or investing in Ponzi schemes to get rich quick, then you'd still be able to afford your plan."


Good advice Todd. That's what I did!

Captain


Edited by Captain (12/15/09 09:56 AM)

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#564445 - 12/15/09 10:52 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
goharley Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
Loc: U.S. Army
Originally Posted By: Captain
"I mean, if you kept working, or didn't piss your money away on buying a Hummer or investing in Ponzi schemes to get rich quick, then you'd still be able to afford your plan."


Good advice Todd. That's what I did!

Captain
Really? Then why did you just spend two weeks in a VA hospital? Why didn't you just use your private plan you pay for to stay in a quality for-profit private sector hospital? And who paid for that VA stay? I'm guessing we did, you ungrateful [censored].

And for your friends that hate Medicare, who's holding a gun to their head? Why don't they just go out and buy a private sector policy from a for-profit insurance company? Surely it's not because they can't afford it.
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#564449 - 12/15/09 11:11 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
Dave Vedder Offline
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Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
Originally Posted By: Captain
I know plenty of people on Medicare and Medicaid....and they hate it. They all wish they had their healthcare plan that they were on before they retired. I also spent two weeks in a VA hospital, it was the worst medical facility that I have ever been in and have not been back since.

This is my experience. I don't have to listen to the radio or watch TV to know what is right or wrong. I believe I know more about my experience than you. If you want to be taken care of by the government, go ahead. I just don't want to pay for it.

Peace

Captain out. Strange your experience is so different than most of us. I know few people on Medicaid, as that’s a non contributory welfare plan. But I bet you knew that. Those I know who are using Medicare, including myself simply love it. Try to change it and hear the nationwide howl.

As for your experience in the VA hospital, I am a bit surprised. I have personally been in, and toured many VA hospitals as part of my job. Seattle's is old, but undergoing a major renovation. Many other VA hospitals are state of the art. Note president get their care at an army hospitals.

You think Medicare retirees all hate it because it’s not as good as their coverage when employed. Again, your social circles may be a bit limited and underfed. In fact, a huge number of workers no have zero health insurance and that percentage is growing daily. I would guess those folks find some coverage waaaaay better than none.
One of my good friends endured serious pain for months waiting for Medicare to kick in. Once he was eligible, he got the care he needed. Ask him about Medicare.

As for cost, many of us who had employer coverage had to pay a significant amount out of pocket for that coverage. I was paying roughly $700 a month as my share. Once Medicare kicked in my supplemental policy was only $350 per month, so I got the same coverage as before and lowered my cost by $350.00


When you make remarks like "They all...” it immediately makes me discount any further arguments.

The bottom line is this nation would be in bad shape without Medicare and Medicaid. Of course most Republicans opposed those bill as well. Just as they did Social Security. I see a trend here.



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#564460 - 12/15/09 12:03 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
Dave Vedder Offline
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Sooooo, perhaps if we adequatly funded the government health care systems . . . ?
I work with VA based, non-profit research organizations. There are roughly 70 of them, and they are seing some decent funding increases.
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#564488 - 12/15/09 02:20 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
Captain Offline
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Posts: 318
Loc: Enumclaw, Washington, USA
go harley - I was 19 and had no other options. I have had options since. Options that I made.

Ungrateful? We paid for it? I doubt from the sounds of your posts that you were old enough to pay for anything. In case you are in doubt my parents were married.

My friends have no choice........I do.

Stam - I'll share if you do! My jeep still needs to be painted. Take care brother!

Captain

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#564515 - 12/15/09 04:01 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
goharley Offline
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Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
Loc: U.S. Army
By the sound of your posts, I'll bet your parents were related in more ways than just marriage.

So the American taxpayer paid for your 2 weeks in a VA hospital because you claim you had no other options. Yet you don't want any other Americans to be offered any options on your dime. You claim your friends hate Medicare but have no other option, and yet you don't want to afford them any options on your dime.

You're a swell guy; with a friend like you they don't need enemies.
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#564529 - 12/15/09 04:45 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
AP a.k.a. Kaiser D Offline
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Registered: 01/31/02
Posts: 4450
Loc: B'ham
Originally Posted By: Captain
I know plenty of people on Medicare and Medicaid....and they hate it. They all wish they had their healthcare plan that they were on before they retired.


This is what we're workin' with.

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#564715 - 12/16/09 09:26 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
shinything Offline
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Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 194
Loc: kitsap
The large national polls show America does want the public option. But no matter what they want, most don’t seem to understand what they are talking about.

I always love hearing that from the left.

What does that say about our president then?????

Were the people that voted for him just as ignorant?

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#564724 - 12/16/09 10:08 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: ]
shinything Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 194
Loc: kitsap
I do not think it matters.I believe that the libs are willing to throw quite a bit under the bus to get this.

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#564813 - 12/16/09 02:43 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: shinything]
Salmo g. Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13622
Originally Posted By: shinything
The large national polls show America does want the public option. But no matter what they want, most don’t seem to understand what they are talking about.

I always love hearing that from the left.

What does that say about our president then?????

Were the people that voted for him just as ignorant?





LC,

Many of the people who voted for Obama are about as ignorant as many of the people who voted for Bush. Ignorance is an epidemic in the U.S. Not that this has much to do with the health care debate.

Sg

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#564816 - 12/16/09 02:56 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Salmo g.]
shinything Offline
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Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 194
Loc: kitsap
agree

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#564905 - 12/16/09 07:02 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: shinything]
IrishRogue Offline
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Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 1714
Loc: Yarrow Point
Actually, Salmo, I think ignorance has a LOT to do with the healthcare debate, actually.

Ignorance is what causes so many of our children to be obese.

Ignorance is what causes so many expectant mothers to not get appropriate pre-natal care.

Ignorance is what causes people to succumb to the arguments of shrill sound-bite voices on the left and right on this pivotal issue.

Ignorance is what causes people to not value education for their children, and neither support the schools, nor require their kids do well in school--perpetuating all of the above to the next generation.
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#564907 - 12/16/09 07:19 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: IrishRogue]
shinything Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 194
Loc: kitsap
Apathy causing ignorance,that is the reel problem.

Because of this people are voting with their emotions instead of their critical thought process.

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#564918 - 12/16/09 07:55 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: shinything]
Captain Offline
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Registered: 10/16/99
Posts: 318
Loc: Enumclaw, Washington, USA
Well said Irish Rogue!

Captain

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#564971 - 12/16/09 10:36 PM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: Captain]
Salmo g. Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13622
IR,

Quite true. I was thinking about being directly related, but ignorance certainly qualifies under the indirect, inter-related and inter-dependent, extant but for . . . contingency, etc.

I really liked the byline that Todd used to use, "stupidity should hurt." Often it does, but the damn thing is that stupid people hurt without knowing that it's their stupidity that's causing them to hurt. Oh sh!t, it's about time to crack open a bottle . . .

Sg

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#565085 - 12/17/09 11:16 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: shinything]
alanmikkelsen Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 09/27/06
Posts: 209
Loc: St. Ignatius, MT
Originally Posted By: shinything
Apathy causing ignorance,that is the reel problem.


Ahhh, who cares????
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#565089 - 12/17/09 11:33 AM Re: Public option on Healthcare? [Re: alanmikkelsen]
shinything Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 194
Loc: kitsap
How often do you here those exact words?

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