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#579192 - 02/05/10 10:57 PM SB 6813 whats yer opinion?
dcrzfitter Offline
Spawner

Registered: 04/10/99
Posts: 913
Loc: Tenino, wa U.S.A.
Has anybody had a chance to dig into SB 6813. just looking for opinions on this.


Kris

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#579208 - 02/06/10 12:17 AM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: dcrzfitter]
slabhunter Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 01/17/04
Posts: 3639
Loc: Sheltona Beach
This thing stinks IMHO.eek

Quote:
SB 6813 - DIGEST
Abolishes the department of fish and wildlife and
transfers its powers, duties, and functions to the department
of natural resources.
Abolishes the agency known as the state parks and
recreation commission.
Transfers, administratively, the duties of the governorappointed
state parks and recreation commission and the fish
and wildlife commission to the department of natural
resources.
Requires the department of natural resources, the
department of fish and wildlife, the fish and wildlife
commission, and the state parks and recreation commission to
devise a plan necessary to implement these changes.
Authorizes the code reviser to substitute words
designating the department of natural resources or the
administrator of the department of natural resources, as
appropriate, whenever necessary to effect the changes in
meaning provided for in the act or any other act of the 2010
legislature.


We have a great group of very smart WDFW Commisioners. These people are volunteering many hours to be a link for public input.
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#579220 - 02/06/10 01:52 AM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: slabhunter]
bushbear Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 08/26/02
Posts: 4616
Loc: Sequim
Not a good idea.

If, and I emphasize IF, DNR becomes a cabinet level position and WDFW and the other agencies remain as "independent" divisions under the cabinet level DNR, then it might work. The Commission would have to remain as the citizen's control for WDFW.

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#579230 - 02/06/10 04:38 AM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: bushbear]
Fast and Furious Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 3164
I heard they had trouble finding sponsors. Wait to see what happens in Jacobsens committee.

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#579240 - 02/06/10 09:38 AM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: Fast and Furious]
geljockey Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 11/17/06
Posts: 138
Loc: Olympia, WA
I had heard earlier in the week that Jacobsen's committee didn't have any meetings scheduled, so the bill missed the deadline. However (and this is a big however), this morning I heard that is has been revived.

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#579253 - 02/06/10 11:37 AM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: geljockey]
Lucky Louie Offline
Carcass

Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 2286
I have sent an email to the 3 bill sponsors, Tom,Rockefeller, and Shin.

Just curious on what effects 6813 would have on WDFW? And why you are sponsoring it?

In 1995 the commission of WDFW was formed by referendum 45 by voter approval of 61%. Are you going against the voters of the state of Washington with this change? Or is the commission going to stay intact with the same authority that the voters approved and intended? What is the communication level going to be between user groups and new dept.? The same, better, or worse?

Any info would be appreciated.

Here is a link to the 3 sponsors if you want to send an e-mail to these people. Just click on their names and it will take you to their website.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6813&year=2009
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#579276 - 02/06/10 12:29 PM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: Lucky Louie]
FishBear Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 11/06/05
Posts: 401
Loc: Western Washington
Whoever is behind this bill should immediately be required to have a psych eval performed and every future idea quashed.

One the one hand the legislature wants to create a mega-agency to "provide efficiencies."

On the other hand the legislature is falling all over themselves to break DSHS up into smaller units so that they can "perform their jobs better.

DSHS is the largest state agency by far. If you know ANYTHING about DSHS you will simply shake your head about the mega-natural-resources-parks agency.

BTW... we may have a few smart commissioners by this is Olympia we're talkin' about here... get real


Edited by FishBear (02/06/10 12:32 PM)
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#579283 - 02/06/10 12:42 PM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: slabhunter]
boater Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 07/01/09
Posts: 1760
Loc: common sense ave.
Originally Posted By: slabhunter

We have a great group of very smart WDFW Commisioners.


did we get a new group ?

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#579288 - 02/06/10 12:52 PM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: boater]
Fast and Furious Offline
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Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 3164
Peck Peck Peck

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#579300 - 02/06/10 01:26 PM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: boater]
Lucky Louie Offline
Carcass

Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 2286
Originally Posted By: boater
Originally Posted By: slabhunter

We have a great group of very smart WDFW Commisioners.


did we get a new group ?


We agree that the commission got off on the wrong foot in 1995, with the majority of commissioners appointed had commercial interests in mind. It was business as usual, just like the prior 100 years of commercial dominance.

The commercials are afraid of losing that dominance.
Hence:
1) SB 5127 last year
2) SB 6813 this year

The commission is only as good as their foundation. Which is unfortunitely commercial interests.The take, take, take mentality over the past 100 plus years through commercial dominance in the legislative process.

The commission must be beginning to work like intended, to try to be taken out by the commercial interests now. SB 6813 is business as usual to protect commercial interests dominance.
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#579312 - 02/06/10 01:54 PM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: Lucky Louie]
klicknative Offline
Parr

Registered: 01/26/08
Posts: 51
Loc: Goldendale WA
To me, it looks like the bill's sponsors don't know what the three angencies actually do. We have 3 "urbanites" that think, "well, they all do outdoor stuff so let's consolidate the angencies so the voters think wer'e trying to make state goverment more efficent." I'm all for interangency cooperation, but there are better ways than what this bill proposes.

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#579314 - 02/06/10 01:59 PM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: klicknative]
dcrzfitter Offline
Spawner

Registered: 04/10/99
Posts: 913
Loc: Tenino, wa U.S.A.
I was thinking it might be a tactic put on by the Commies as well.

Kris

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#579330 - 02/06/10 02:38 PM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: slabhunter]
Irie Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/26/06
Posts: 4358
Loc: South Sound
Originally Posted By: slabhunter
This thing stinks IMHO.eek

Quote:
SB 6813 - DIGEST
Abolishes the department of fish and wildlife and
transfers its powers, duties, and functions to the department
of natural resources.
Abolishes the agency known as the state parks and
recreation commission.
Transfers, administratively, the duties of the governorappointed
state parks and recreation commission and the fish
and wildlife commission to the department of natural
resources.
Requires the department of natural resources, the
department of fish and wildlife, the fish and wildlife
commission, and the state parks and recreation commission to
devise a plan necessary to implement these changes.
Authorizes the code reviser to substitute words
designating the department of natural resources or the
administrator of the department of natural resources, as
appropriate, whenever necessary to effect the changes in
meaning provided for in the act or any other act of the 2010
legislature.


We have a great group of very smart WDFW Commisioners. These people are volunteering many hours to be a link for public input.


If DNR handles wildlife like they handle timber & minerals, there wont be a deer, elk or fish alive in this state by 2020.

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#579352 - 02/06/10 04:22 PM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: Irie]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 5523
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
And just how well has WDFW done with fish? How many are listed?

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#579861 - 02/08/10 10:42 PM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: Carcassman]
Old Guide Offline
Parr

Registered: 12/26/09
Posts: 46
Interesting topic. While I'm certainly against the bill in principle, wouldn't it be interesting to elect the head of Fish and Wildlife ,which would be the case as the Commissioner of Public Lands would then control the F&W management?

That's the only plus I could see. And maybe it isn't a plus at all.

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#579870 - 02/08/10 11:35 PM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: Old Guide]
Salmo g. Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 12570
I don't see that as a plus cuz the money behind electing the Commissioner of Public Lands is serious money contrasted with less than a piss pot full for all of the sport and commercial fishing value represented by WDFW.

Sg

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#579888 - 02/09/10 12:47 AM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: Salmo g.]
skyrise Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 03/16/00
Posts: 291
Loc: snohomish, wa
worst thing we ever did was giving the govenor control over WDFW.
was controlled by the sportsmen assoc. i think?
seems so long ago.
Booth Gardner = bum.
my .02 worth.
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#579960 - 02/09/10 12:22 PM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: skyrise]
Salmo g. Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 12570
Skyrise,

"We" didn't give the gov control. The Legislature did it as part of the old WDF/WDW agency merger, so another citizen's initiative restored the Commission and its role overseeing the merged agency.

Sg

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#579996 - 02/09/10 02:14 PM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: Lucky Louie]
Lucky Louie Offline
Carcass

Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 2286
Originally Posted By: Lucky Louie
I have sent an email to the 3 bill sponsors, Tom,Rockefeller, and Shin.

Just curious on what effects 6813 would have on WDFW? And why you are sponsoring it?

In 1995 the commission of WDFW was formed by referendum 45 by voter approval of 61%. Are you going against the voters of the state of Washington with this change? Or is the commission going to stay intact with the same authority that the voters approved and intended? What is the communication level going to be between user groups and new dept.? The same, better, or worse?

Any info would be appreciated.

Here is a link to the 3 sponsors if you want to send an e-mail to these people. Just click on their names and it will take you to their website.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6813&year=2009


I just realized that I haven't gotten a response from any of these reps. yet. Of course I have never gotten a response from Sen Jacobson either on other e-mails.

I wonder if that makes Jacobson, Tom, Rockefeller, and Shin all attached at the hip?

I suppose to be fair I should at least give them another day to respond before going any further.

Representing the Washington people that voted them into office, I'm sure they would want to do the right thing and atleast try to respond to my e-mails in a timely manner or is this going to be another crab audit time period fiasco?
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#580867 - 02/12/10 04:03 PM Re: SB 6813 whats yer opinion? [Re: Lucky Louie]
Lucky Louie Offline
Carcass

Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 2286



Feb 17 Scheduled for public hearing in the Senate Committee on Natural Resources and Ocean & Recreation at 8:00 AM. (Subject to change

It has been 6 days without an e-mail response to my questions from the 6813 bill sponsors.

The silence is deafening.
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The world will not be destroyed by those that are evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything.- Albert Einstein

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