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#580127 - 02/09/10 10:42 PM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: Sebastes]
McMahon Offline
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Registered: 05/27/08
Posts: 652
Loc: Bellingham/Socialistic Idaho
Originally Posted By: Sebastes
Maybe a commercial fishery could be developed and these fish could be used to produce fish meal instead of over harvesting species like Menhaden that are being over-harvested and are forage fish for many saltwater fish like Blue Fish and Stripers?


I'm 100% with you on this one. However, the market drives which species will be destroyed next by overfishing. Once we run out of anchovies, herring and sardines to turn into fish meal, somehow, someday, there will be a commercial fishery for these little bastards.

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#580191 - 02/10/10 02:19 AM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: tcman]
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Registered: 03/06/01
Posts: 1200
Loc: Gig Harbor, WA
Originally Posted By: tcman
The question is will we do it.


I sure as sh!t hope so.

I can't believe the prez's stance on this one, but in the spirit of this thread not falling back into middle school poli-sci rerun again, please don't respond about my disbelief.

Todd's read on this subject is spot the-fvck on by the way,

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#581100 - 02/13/10 01:29 PM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: IrishRogue]
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Egg

Registered: 02/13/10
Posts: 1
Originally Posted By: IrishRogue
Originally Posted By: bait dunker
Big suprise, obama is a friggin moron.


Remind me again of your credentials on these issues? Or are you just another blowhard who thinks it's somehow either cool or constructive to make a post like that?

I for one understand NONE of the issues on the carp/locks issue--and I'm willing to wager you knew nothing before 38 minutes ago either.

But I find it continually astounding how republicans are now willing to take anti-business positions (like this situation), anti-balanced budget (recent vote), and anti-free speech (see palin/retard comments) positions if it's a way to go after the president. The newest way to apparently be a GOP tough-guy is to over-exaggerate your fears of everything.

Me? I think you're all un-American.

I don't really mean that, but it demonstrates a similar level of thought as your comment, so deal with it.



You all need to watch the documentary on the Asian Carp invasion. Its an eye opener. Once you see it you to even an Obama supporter will think he is a moron for not doing anything in his power to stop them. Imagine if you will a species of fish that came to our rivers that was practically inedible full of bones that could grow to 20-30 lbs that ate and killed EVERYTHING in the river and spread like rabbits that could spawn multiple times a year. That is what they do.... On top of that they launch themselves out of the water at you causing at of injuries to people. If nothing is done they WILL take over the rivers killing many peoples food supply and business. If they make it to the Great lakes we are screwed...

Watch this video on youtube and you will get an idea.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS7zkTnQVaM

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ChwJiKKBdA&feature=related

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#581106 - 02/13/10 01:47 PM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: Fish Assassin]
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Registered: 10/04/06
Posts: 4025
Loc: Kent, WA
I hope everyone will stop and watch the videos posted by FishAssissin, supra. If you still think wanting to stop these thingd id just a political thing, you are nuts. Can you imagin the Great Lakes with nothing but these things.
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#581110 - 02/13/10 02:08 PM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: Phoenix77]
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If there was a Republican in office and the exact same thing happened, the right wingers would be telling the lefties that they're trying to ruin the economic landscape of the Great Lakes region by closing the locks...throwing more people out of work and overburdening the welfare system...probably commies and terrorist sympathizers to boot.

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#581111 - 02/13/10 02:11 PM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: Phoenix77]
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Posts: 3731
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Wow thats incredible! Maybe they could incorporate that jumping/shocking reflex into some kind of catch method..Thanks


Edited by SBD (02/13/10 02:14 PM)
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#581112 - 02/13/10 02:12 PM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: Todd]
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Loc: Kent, WA
Todd, until now, eventhough I often did not agree with you, I thought you were an intelligent guy, sorry, I miss judged you.
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#581113 - 02/13/10 02:14 PM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: Phoenix77]
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Dick Nipples

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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: Phoenix77
Todd, until now, eventhough I often did not agree with you, I thought you were an intelligent guy, sorry, I miss judged you.


That's rich...the copy/paste master insulting someone's intelligence.

If you think it wouldn't be a political football for whomever was in office, then you are living in a fantasy world.

Fish on...

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#581114 - 02/13/10 02:25 PM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: Todd]
e-rock Offline
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Registered: 08/14/09
Posts: 112
Loc: Cowtown
we need to get rid of these things. there going to destroy everything

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#581116 - 02/13/10 02:35 PM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: e-rock]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27840
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: e-rock
we need to get rid of these things. there going to destroy everything


+10,000

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#581117 - 02/13/10 02:39 PM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: Todd]
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Registered: 01/08/07
Posts: 2199
Loc: Bainbridge Island
We need to let WDFW manage them. They have been doing a pretty good job of managing our fish to extiction. -TBJ
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#581164 - 02/13/10 08:57 PM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: TBJ]
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Registered: 10/19/09
Posts: 3731
Loc: Water
Just saw something on this on ABC, some chef had come up with some receipes for the Carp. Guess the plan is to eat them all now..
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#583146 - 02/22/10 10:57 AM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: SBD]
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Loc: Kent, WA
The News Herald (news-herald.com), Serving Northern Ohio


Opinion

Editorial: Don't allow carp to reach Lake Erie
Monday, February 22, 2010


The debate taking place in Chicago these days surrounding how and whether to stop destructive Asian carp from invading the Great Lakes might seem like a far-off issue, but it really isn’t when you consider Lake Michigan is a relatively short swim from Lake Erie.

Environmentalists and those who make their living in the $7 billion Great Lakes fishing industry would like nothing more than to see the link between Lake Michigan and the Mississippi River basin completely severed, which is believed to be the surest way to keep Asian carp from gaining a foothold in the Great Lakes.

But barge operators who move millions of tons of commodities on the Chicago-area waterways each year understandably want no part of that.

With the debate reaching a crescendo, the Obama administration proposed a $78.5 million solution that doesn't seem to solve much of anything. Instead, it delays making a tough decision — which would consequently upset at least one political interest — and allows the carp more time to infiltrate the ecosystem.

Nor does it seem to address the concerns of either side of the issue.

The White House plan would rely on strengthening an electric barrier designed to block the carp's advance, as well as stepping up efforts to find and kill fish that may have slipped through. Environmentalists fear that's an expensive gamble that might not be enough to ward off an infestation.

The plan would also study closing more often a pair of navigational locks at Chicago, and ultimately could recommend severing the connection between the river and the lakes for good.

Shippers worry that would come at great cost to them by drastically altering their business, perhaps forcing them to more expensive land-based transportation.

In fact, cutting ties between the lakes and the Mississippi River would mean reconfiguring some 70 miles of canals and rivers, according to The Associated Press.

But these carp managed to escape sewage treatment plants in the Deep South starting in the 1970s and have been migrating toward the Great Lakes ever since.

How long before they reach Lake Erie and the shores of Northeast Ohio?

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/02/22/opinion/nh2118788.prt
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#583187 - 02/22/10 01:11 PM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: Phoenix77]
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Registered: 01/05/07
Posts: 1551
Loc: Bremerton, Wa.
I grew up in the fishing village of Grand Marais, Mich on the shore's of Lake Superior at a time when an unwanted guest (The Lamprey Eel ) arrived. My family was in the fishing business, sport and commercial. Within a few short years fishing for Mackinaw Trout in the Great Lakes was wiped out. It was devastating to many families and I sure would not like to see something like that happen again.
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#583238 - 02/22/10 05:41 PM Re: Stop Asian Carp [Re: SBD]
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Carcass

Registered: 08/28/08
Posts: 2150
Loc: varies
I have been cravin some asian lately...................wait, are you talking about carp? huh
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