another nate bonked on the Duc and a blind eye continues to be turned, (and/or comments modded out)

http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/washin...tml#post1692505

that makes me want to throw up. anyone that kills a steelhead like that should be banned from fishing

Wow, thats a board I would get banned from pretty quick. Plus that cartoonish hobo looking dude from a Bugs Bunny cartoon holding that steelhead would have to hear it from me.

Myself and others had already posted our 2cents over there and every one of our comments got modded out.

Evidently it's a brag board, check ethics at the door.

Eye's turned down, on the big slab.....where does it say the fish was bonked?

Mf

Do you know for a fact the Duc fish was bonked? Still has quite a bit of aqua dripping from it in the photo. What exactly do you expect from a website entitled "Bloodydecks"? Nice blackmouth though!

Ike

I'm squarely on your side, Thrasher, but I can't say I would expect anything too different from a site called "Bloodydecks." While there are plenty of other brands available, it sounds like a lot of those guys are partial to the Wood Shampoo and use it at every opportunity.

What a bummer.

someone had asked in the very beginning if he could bonk a nate. He replied "one a year".

It got modded out, along with many other statements about it. That eyeball looks a bit dead to me. But regardless, the comments that were up before, led many to believe it was dead and it was dumb.

I am just going by what was written and what was read.

If I am incorrect from what was written and inferred, I will stand corrected.

Broke Sparky's Law, but other than that, the fish was alive when the pic was taken.

I agree.

The fish is alive for the pic.... After that, by what's available is vague.

Mf

read post #7

Read it. Where does it say he bonked it?

Mf

I do applaud you Thrasher for attempting to enlighten some of the fisherman out there who think a day of fishing is not successful unless you draw blood and bring something home.....to throw in the freezer and use as crab bait the following year. But from what I saw, I think you would be wasting your breath on that site.

Ike

If he was speaking of CnR, he wouldn't refer to it as "one nate per year", in my opinion. He would have simply stated, "yes it is open".

I guess like Ike said, I am wasting my time.

Such is life....

I guess like Ike said, I am wasting my time. [/quote]

Not what I insinuated....

Peace out

Mf

It's all good fellas, thanks for your insights.

He did have ample opportunity to say that he had released the fish....which he didn't. But then again, 22 lbs. on the dot? Look, the guy's an idiot if he bonked it and he's an idiot if all he did was violate Sparkey's Law and posted on the internet.....either way, he's an idiot.

Ike

Untill the law is changed to no retention of nats all you can do is try to educate people to do the right thing. With the huge number of idiots out there that don't give a sh!t, education is an long uphill slog. There needs to be another push to change the law.

Exactly, has anyone heard if the wild steelhead retention law is going to be pulled yet? Or is that process already past?

Regulations are set for the next two years - 2010/2011. Next chance, unless there is an emergency rule or action by the Commission will be for the 2012 regulation year. As I understand the process, comments will be collected starting in 2011.

As long as it is legal to bonk one nate it will happen,along with some mortality attributed if released, while giving the tribes a shot at those fish also.

Either it is a viable fishery or not.

If they are as important as some think then the law needs to be changed, otherwise bonk and net away.

I wonder how many anglers that are opposed to killing wild steelhead are happy to kill wild chinook in the ocean or in Puget Sound blackmouth fisheries? Those stocks are ESA listed and many are in critical status with way fewer spawners than the Peninsula steelhead runs. Let's look at some of this year's Chinook forecasts: Stillaguamish 817, mid-Hood Canal 136, Dungeness 556, Nooksack springs 390, Skagit springs 768. Are the steelhead runs that low? Not. Although the state continues to push forward with selective fisheries for chinook, there are still plenty of non-selective fisheries where people on this board are very happy to kill native chinook. What the heck is the difference?

Good question. I think the answer is that people don't really want to kill those wild kings. The problem is that you would have to shut down all mixed stock salt water fishing and use terminal fisheries only to determine which fish are being caught. Doubt that's going to happen any time soon. Using that argument,killing ESA chinook, to justify killing wild steelhead is kind of a two wrongs making a right argument.

I'm not using killing ESA listed chinook to justify killing a wild steelheed. I have no problems with folks killing a wild steelhead if the managers determine there is a harvestable surplus.

I'm simply pointing out the hypocracy of some of the folks that are critical of killing wild steelhead while they continue to kill wild chinook that are actually in worse shape than steelhead on the Peninsula. Shouldn't they be more critical of anyone killing a wild chinook? I recall a very prominent member of this board blasting the state on this board for closing the Area 5 chinook fishery last summer when the reason for the closure was because too many wild chinook were being caught and released and the subsequent mortalities from hooking mortality.

Maybe we should stop criticizing folks harvesting a handful of fish each year and start criticizing the folks that are destroying habitat every day. Oh wait, that might affect my pocketbook. Back to eating our young.

I think that is jizz dripping from the fish..... Unfortunate if he killed it, but I doubt that 22# number came from a scale. That fish might go 12.....

Someone should break the link. They are getting too many views for a Natekiller board. Plus they arent listening and thrasher tried I believe. But who am I.

I see they deleted my comment and locked the thread . .. .all I said was that it should have been released to be able to hit the gravel. . . . . Guess honest opinions are not welcome after all. . .

I guess you trust the managers more than I and a lot of others do. They don't have that great of a track record for reversing declining runs and IMO do too little too late. Releasing wild steelhead is a small step and is not much of a sacrifice to do something positive for the fish. I know some rivers on the peninsula that are rate as healthy by the managers haven't been making escapement goals and harvest is still allowed. That makes no sense to me. Other than that I agree with what you said. Plenty of hypocracy to go around, like when someone keeps a big king in a river they get sh!t on but guys that kill them out in the salt get patted on the back.

Only good thing from that post was the avatar from #5.

Don't support boards like that. Don't be active members or give them traffic. Let them dry up.

Besides that, based on the looks of that guy holding the steelhead (a DARK steelhead at that), he doesn't have the blood circulation for too many more seasons.

Bummer...

For the record I do release all wild Chinook I catch regardless if it's open or not. The one notable exception is the Elliot Bay fishery as the Green fish don't get marked.

I guess everytime I see a big 'ol Native Chinookie I figure it's a Gray's Harbor or CR dip in and think of all the work Doc and others here have done to help those fish!!!

But comparing a mixed stock fishery to an in river fishery is just a garbage argument from the neanderthal "hey look at me world I'm a complete idiot and an ASSHOLE" crowd!!!