#590216 - 03/24/10 12:04 AM
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#590228 - 03/24/10 12:56 AM
Re: Bobber Watching
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Westside Dave
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#590234 - 03/24/10 01:35 AM
Re: Bobber Watching
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Thanks Brian for sharing. I got to get out.
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#590433 - 03/25/10 12:50 AM
Re: Bobber Watching
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Captain C/22 - Team Stay Up Right!
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Pretty fish. BTW, whats ........Daphnia ?
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#590465 - 03/25/10 10:06 AM
Re: Bobber Watching
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Here you go Chrome. Very common food source for trout. Good luck tying up a size 48 pattern to match these little dudes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphnia
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#590610 - 03/25/10 04:18 PM
Re: Bobber Watching
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Is anything more frustrating than fishing a lake full of educated fish that are sipping Daphnia? If there is, I hope I never have to do it.
I have a friend who tried to imitate Daphnia by tying several tiny "lumps" of red thread on a light wire hook. Sort of the same principle (on a much smaller scale) as using a Griffith's Gnat to represent a cluster of tiny midges, I suppose.
It didn't work, but I had to give him props for his effort.
As Stonefish knows, a chironimid pattern, as painful as they are to fish, will carry the day when you resign yourself to thinking Daphnia are the only thing they will eat. Same colors he mentioned seem to work just about everywhere.
Looking forward to those few, consecutive sunny days myself. Spring fishing on lakes is a great, relaxing time after months of laboring through cold, rain, snow, frequent skunkings, and everything else that comes with winter steelheading.
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#590622 - 03/25/10 05:33 PM
Re: Bobber Watching
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I've always wondered how trout actually eat Daphnia. They are so small, they obviously aren't eating them like they would individual chironomids.
I've been on lakes were you can see clouds of Daphnia. Perhaps the fish just swim through the cloud and suck down a mouthful of them at a time? If anyone knows, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
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#590690 - 03/25/10 10:15 PM
Re: Bobber Watching
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King of the Beach
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I agree Dave. I try to pump one fish an hour if the catching is decent. That lets me see if the fish are changing their color or size preference on the naturals. Here on the wetside lately, the fish early in the day have contained lots of Daphnia with only a Chironomid or two. Later in the day as things warm up, a lot more Chironomids are showing up. Now if we can just get some stable weather patterns.......
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#591215 - 03/29/10 02:23 PM
Re: Bobber Watching
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Captain C/22 - Team Stay Up Right!
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XL pink lady chironomid's eh ? I'd like to see a pic of an pupa & adult form if you know of a link.
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#591408 - 03/30/10 12:40 PM
Re: Bobber Watching
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River Nutrients
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It has been my experience that trout feeding on daphnia do so selectively; that is they seek out and take individuals much like they do the critters that we more tradtionally match with our flies.
In very clear water I have watch the cruising trout sipping these micro critters rather than swimming around with their mouths open - which is the behavior I would have expected if they were "filter feeding". A number of times I have sample trout that have been feeding on daphnia and consistently found that the individuals consumed were the larger ones in the population - there was a size selection in their feeding.
There are actually several "papers" that have found that in taking daphnia trout (both rainbows and browns) do so by selecting the larger (typcially those larger than something like a mm) and the more darker pigmented individuals. This size and color selection are clear indications that the trout are using visual clues in their feeding.
The good news with trout feeding daphnia and the problem of "matching" the hatch is that the heavy daphnia selection is mostly a winter/early spring issue. We are currently on the cusp of warming temperatures where the feeding trout will be forming "search imagines" for larger critters.
For the record when I found trout feeding heavily on daphnia they can still be caught (at least to some degree) on tradtional patterns. It seems that they sometimes can not resist a well presented bug for a little variety to their diet. While logic would dictate that a slow presentation for daphnia feeding trout (bobber watching) is the way to go a more successful stragety for me has to be go to the other end and fish more aggressively with streamers, attractor patterns or a stripped soft hackles. My thinking that showing my bug to more fish in a given period increased my chances of getting my bug in front of a willing biter; either some sort of reaction take or boy that looks go take.
Tight lines Curt
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#591417 - 03/30/10 01:16 PM
Re: Bobber Watching
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Captain C/22 - Team Stay Up Right!
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stonefish, thanks for the look. Some of those chironomid get much bigger than I imagined, no wonder the fish key on that "meat & potatoes" food supply.
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#593382 - 04/07/10 12:28 PM
Re: Bobber Watching
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River Nutrients
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Great pictures Stonefish.
I can't wait to fish again.
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#593392 - 04/07/10 01:26 PM
Re: Bobber Watching
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River Nutrients
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Size 24 used to seem small to me.......can't even believe there is a "size 48".
Low land lakes is fast approaching..........
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#593399 - 04/07/10 01:46 PM
Re: Bobber Watching
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I was just joking about size 48. I have no idea what size real Daphnia are other then they are microscopic. Might even be a size 72?  My eyesite sucks so bad now, trying to tie on anything smaller then a size 20 even with reading glasses on is futile.
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