#602475 - 05/28/1001:44 PMStill not using Folbe rodholders?
Todd
Dick Nipples
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
While I think the dude was a "little" quick on the grab and set, here's a great shot of how fast and easy it is to have a fishing rod out of the holder and in your hand without changing the line tension or rod angle one tiny bit..and there are no other rodholders that can do it like that.
#602497 - 05/28/1003:07 PMRe: Still not using Folbe rodholders?
[Re: OPfisher]
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That's a sweet clip, been wanting to do something just like that for the Folbe boys.
That one showcases the action of the rod holder pretty darn well. All your hard earned $$ spent on their gear stays right here in the US of A, thats a huge plus in my book.
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#602499 - 05/28/1003:15 PMRe: Still not using Folbe rodholders?
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Dave Vedder
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Loc: West Duvall
Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
Folbes work great as long as you dont slip and fall on your ass on the way to the rod
I had forgotten that. Now that's funny I dont care who you are. Of course you had been a bazillion hours wating for that springer hook-up. Sure glad we did get the fish.
#602512 - 05/28/1004:00 PMRe: Still not using Folbe rodholders?
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Salmo g.
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Replaced all mine with Folbe after Bouy 10 last summer. Loved using them on the LCR last month. Very pleased. Three old holders available free to good home.
sunk one on the kalama recently. luckily it wasn't mine... they're all i have on my boat too. only issue i've had was mounting them with the movable part towards the inside of the boat. had a rod get stuck for a few seconds. SM, make sure that the holder opens towards the water, away from you when you pull on the rod, seems to help.
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#602526 - 05/28/1005:03 PMRe: Still not using Folbe rodholders?
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STRIKE ZONE
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I'm with SundayMoney on this one,I've tried WD40 & sandshrimp oil and still fight it a bit.I have one on the transom of my sled,which is my holder.Until it's a smooth gig I ain't gonna get the other two that's needed for the passengers,shouldn't have to sand jack [censored] @ the price they go for.Good luck, STRIKE ZONE
P.S. That hook set was so fast,it was almost scarry.
#602544 - 05/28/1006:54 PMRe: Still not using Folbe rodholders?
[Re: STRIKE ZONE]
Coho
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Posts: 2566
Loc: Muk
Originally Posted By: STRIKE ZONE
I'm with SundayMoney on this one,I've tried WD40 & sandshrimp oil and still fight it a bit.I have one on the transom of my sled,which is my holder.Until it's a smooth gig I ain't gonna get the other two that's needed for the passengers,shouldn't have to sand jack [censored] @ the price they go for.Good luck, STRIKE ZONE
P.S. That hook set was so fast,it was almost scarry.
I bet if you sent them in they would replace. Maybe a faulty few?
My buddies all run the folbe's and I'm not big on them either. I think they are a little sticky, a little rough, and hard to "sneak" a rod out of the holder if your getting light bite sturgeon. The way people rave about them, I kept thinking I'd come around, but so far I dont like them any more now than the first time I tried them.
I need to outfit 2 boats with new rod holders soon and have been very interested buying Folbes. I'll have to try some that have been worked over to see how smooth they are.
#602550 - 05/28/1007:07 PMRe: Still not using Folbe rodholders?
[Re: ondarvr]
Todd
Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27840
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
I agree that for the price you shouldn't have to do anything to them to make them perfect fishing machines, but on the overall, I'd rather sand the rough edges off and use them rather than use any other type...
#602559 - 05/28/1008:08 PMRe: Still not using Folbe rodholders?
[Re: Todd]
4Salt
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Registered: 03/07/00
Posts: 2955
Loc: Lynnwood, WA
Folbe's seem to be a great product and they sure do have a loyal fan base... ala Willie boats.
I'm gonna buck consensus here though and say that I ain't all that crazy about 'em either. For me, it isn't the gettin' the rod out of the holder that I don't like... it's the hassle of puttin' it in.
Fish-On's and Scotty's are a one-handed deal. If your Folbe is closed, you need the second hand to open and set it before you put the rod in.
For low-angle driftboat or sled rod holders, I'll stick with my Fish-On's.
Any other application and I'd use the Folbe.
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sunk one on the kalama recently. luckily it wasn't mine... they're all i have on my boat too. only issue i've had was mounting them with the movable part towards the inside of the boat. had a rod get stuck for a few seconds. SM, make sure that the holder opens towards the water, away from you when you pull on the rod, seems to help.
If you're gonna invest in a device designed specifically for ergonomics and efficiency, it needs to be utilized with those objective in mind. The mobile half should open TOWARD the inside of the boat on rear-facing rods-- OR -- toward the bow of the boat (stern in a drifter) on rods facing out to the sides. This motion results in the most effortless release... and leaves the rod holder wide open to receive the rod when you are ready to put it back in again. You can fish all day without ever touching that rodholder again... you simply open and close it with the rod butt.
A FOLBE rodholder doesn't do much, but what it does, it does exceedingly well.... dare I say unsurpassed.
a) Hold the rod securely without fear of losing a rod. b) Hold the rod securely at a pre-set angle without fear of it collapsing during the strike. c) Permits the effortless release of a fully loaded rod.... d) without ever losing the load on the rod.... e) all in one fluid continuous motion.
It takes all of 10 seconds to train any user the minimal muscle memory required for the effortless release. It all hinges on two principles:
1) removing the rod in a path of motion that matches the 1/4-radius track of the mobile half. 2) applying even pressure on the rod grips both fore and aft of the FOLBE as you release it.
If pressure is applied evenly fore/aft, and the release motion is along a 1/4 radius path, the rod will release from the holder effortlessly EVERY time. The release can also be achieved without the 1/4 radius motion by pulling straight up with even fore/aft pressure, but it takes a just a wee bit more effort. It also results in the rodholder immediately closing (due to simple gravity) after clearing the rod. That's because the mobile half is NOT taken thru the complete 1/4 radius excursion to rest in the fully open position.
Any other attempted "release" technique will result in the the rod remaining SECURELY held by the FOLBE..... which is EXACTLY what it was designed to do. 1455 SECURE rod-downs without a mishap on my FOLBES since 2004 speaks volumes about the product.
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#602620 - 05/29/1001:03 AMRe: Still not using Folbe rodholders?
[Re: fish4brains]
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Loc: N of Seattle
I try to stay off these threads but what the hell. All Folbe Rod holders are not created equal and I am responsible for every one of them. If you have a Sticky one you shouldn't and it is my fault. I am not Folbe but my company molds most of the products they sell. Every one of them is hand worked to an extent by people that work for me. There is a limited time available for each one to be fitted and they are inspected twice. The problem occurs as the part cools and shrinks. You may even notice that on a hot day they will feel a little different than on freezing day. The reason some are a bit sticky is the same reason they just don't fall open and drop hundreds of dollars worth of tackle over the side of the boat. All of them have the ability to not be sticky and work perfectly all of the time. I would have to say the slide lock on the most popular mount is the weakest link. We will be designing an auto lock at some point in the near future but until then we urge that you set them up and be sure thy are locked in the mount before you start fishing. Both the pedestal mount and the flush mount are auto locking and I recommend them. The pedestal mount can be mounted on a rail and gives a couple inches of more height to the rod holder that is nice to have.
You will also be seeing a a few more versions in the future including one for KK. If ya have one you are not happy with I would be glad to rework it for you. If ya want to fix it yourself shoot me a pm with a phone # and I would be glad to talk to you about it...Art
Jebus Gary your just plain mean....
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#602632 - 05/29/1002:07 AMRe: Still not using Folbe rodholders?
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fp
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Loc: Hoquiam,WA.USA
I have Folbe's on both of my boats and wouldn't go any other way.
Have a couple of sticky ones but a little grease and they are now fine.
On my bow rods in the Willie Predator I used a 5/16th" bolt and a washer on the bottom of the round post and now they won't come out of the holder part. Sorry, don't know what the technical name is for those parts. But the round post has a hole in already and it was a 2 minute fix. A couple of them don't have the hole in the post so they are my stern holders. The slide locks suck on Folbe's but it sounds like they are working on a fix for that.
I would post a picture of the fix but I can't resize my pictures to fit here anymore.
#602652 - 05/29/1011:49 AMRe: Still not using Folbe rodholders?
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Rapid Robert
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Been fishing Folbe's for over 6 years now, some do reguire more break in than others, what I've found works best, is to just fish the hell outa them and they smoooth right up.
What I tell my clients is, "Somertimes they're a little clunky @ first to load and unload, but when it matters most(ROD DOWN...FISH ON!)...their is nothing better than a Folbe!"
Thought I'd include some pics about proper on-the-water open/close orientation.
Like I said before, it's all about ergonomics and efficiency.
Looking down on the base mounts, there are 12 stops that potentially allow you to point the holder at every "clock hour" position. Think of 12:00 as pointing straight back, and 3:00 as pointing straight out to the right side. I use 5 different stops in my boat, depending on how many rods are being deployed.
For rods being deployed on the port side gunnel, the 12:00 and 1:00 positions will have the mobile half of the FOLBE releasing to the left, opening toward the middle of the boat. When the rod goes down, the holder is released with a very small motion toward the middle of the boat, continuing into a high vertical hookset to maintain the load on the rod.
Here's a spread of 6 rods where the port side FOLBE's are set to 12:00, 2:00, and 4:00. The second pic is a close up of the rear FOLBE set at the 12:00 position which opens toward the middle of the boat.
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At the 2:00 position, the FOLBE's should open the opposite direction (to the right) allowing the rod to release toward the front of the boat, continuing into a low horizontal hookset to maintain a load in the rod. What I tell newby's in my boat is to remain seated (rear-facing) during the strike. When the golden moment arrives, simply lean forward in their seat toward the transom, pickup up and release the rod, and then simply lean back in their seat to complete the low horizontal hookset in one fluid continuous motion.
Here's a pic showing another 6 rod spread. As you can see none of these guys listened to a damned thing I had to say 'cause they're ALL facing the WRONG direction!
The second pic is a closeup of the middle rod on the port side fishing the 2:00 position. Again the FOLBE opens to the right, toward the bow of the boat.
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The FOLBE in the 4:00 position is my favorite rodholder in the boat. With the help of the double-ended dog-bone extension, it helps me to achieve maximum spread to deploy the widest possible curtain of gear in the water. It also helps to achieve maximum load on the rod before line strips from the reel. From the first moment of the strike, that rodtip is going to move nearly 8 feet before line starts peeling from the reel! It's a sight to behold!
And releasing that maximally loaded rod is still a breeze, even from a seated position. The guy just leans forward in his seat to reach for the grips, releases the rod, and then simply leans back in his seat to complete a very low horizontal hookset in one continuous fluid motion... without EVER losing the load on the rod!
Most folks probably won't be using that 4:00 position much, but opting for 3:00 instead. All the same rules apply.
To illustrate that WIDE curtain, here's a pic of the F/V eyeFISH spreading its wings. The second pic is a closeup of my side-rigger FOLBE, only on the opposite side of the boat (technically that'd be the 8:00 position, mirror image of 4:00). Notice how good the crew is about opening the FOLBE's on that 1/4 radius path.... no hands needed to receive the rod when it's time to re-deploy!
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My buddies all run the folbe's and I'm not big on them either. I think they are a little sticky, a little rough, and hard to "sneak" a rod out of the holder if your getting light bite sturgeon. The way people rave about them, I kept thinking I'd come around, but so far I dont like them any more now than the first time I tried them.
I was also worried about how they would be for Sturgeon, but my first 4 trips for sturgeon this spring have resulted in a total of about 110 sturgeon to the boat. I don't think the Sturgeon mind the Folbes Now I just need 3 more for the Clack.
#604331 - 06/07/1012:40 PMRe: Still not using Folbe rodholders?
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NOFISH
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Went out for a shakedown cruise Saturday morning, after we got all the downriggers and rod holders mounted......
The Folbe's passed the test......we were a little worried how they would handle the rod loading on the downrigger, but after reefing/bumping/twisting the rods in the holders six ways to Sunday, the Folbe's didn't let go of the rods under pressure!
Tried to talk the skipper into letting me mount the center rod holder on top of that new Yamaha cowling ala EyeFish, but he politely replied "Hell no"!
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Tried to talk the skipper into letting me mount the center rod holder on top of that new Yamaha cowling ala EyeFish, but he politely replied "Hell no"!
Still trying to talk the skipper into letting me drill that new cowling... havin' a tough time pulling that trigger.
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#846939 - 07/07/1304:24 PMRe: Still not using Folbe rodholders?
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STRIKE ZONE
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Just picked me up three jr's from Bob's on my way home from Cathlamet. Can't wait to mount on my sled as its been on the list to do for sometime now. Good luck,
Mine got good work out today! Had some DB Greenies out today, promised I'd get the gf dad out before tuna season. Did find them a dmbrrun! I'll have to sand them down a tad bit, they were a bit sticky today with temps up to the 80's. Although while under tension with fish pulling line off the reel they seem to function just fine!
Thanks again Art for a great product!
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