You sure about that Aunty? I figured LB's passion was running around with a red rubber nose on....



Keith

Thanks M.


Keith, Im very sorry I missed your birthday party. I hope you like the bike.

Quite frankly Aunty I really don't care what you think about Oregon politics, what I do care about is fisheries management of the CR.
Having a sport fishing advocate in the Governor's office is a real plus, and one that opposes giving commercials more opportunity, and sports less, is even better.
Removing all commercial presents from the mainstem CR and shifting the 2% ESA allocation equals more sport opportunity.

looks like we have 3 choices,

1) ban the non-tribal gillnetters totally from the columbia

2) put the gillnetters in the safe area`s and leave them there

3) change the gillnetters to a selective method so they can catch more fish in the main stem and still have them gillnet in the safe area`s.

1 and 2 give sports more opportunity, 3 takes it away.

Oh but he does have a clear track record for supporting our fisheries and sport fishing
in particular.
What's even better is his opponent doesn't have any record at all, for anything, well except for the NBA, but just like Washington politics, I really don't give a rip.

Understood Aunty.....

But the fact LB wants to give the commercial fleet more opportunity with alternative gear rather than force them off the river as CCA preached in the beginning bugs the [censored] out of me....

Keith

I'm not talking about the possibility that LB might want the same things I do, I'm talking about his utter inability to contemplate how to get those things, or how some of his ideas about how to get them run directly counter to getting them, in practice.

I'm for good ideas, and the folks who have them...I'm against both bad ideas, and those who have them, even if they are nominally "on my side"...just like a good idea doesn't care who has it, neither does a bad idea, and folks who have good intentions and not a whit of knowledge or understanding about how their "ideas" will effect them, sometimes very badly, need to either be educated or shut up.

LB has already proven he won't be educated, so I guess the second possibility is the best one to use.

Fish on...

Todd

We wish our governor would overhaul the ODFW Commission like Gregoire has tried to do up there!

write a fat check and maybe you can ban commercial fishing on the Columbia. They will sit out beyond the mouth of the river and it wont change a dam thing. Alaska catches 60 percent of the kings coming to CR and PS. Commercial have already been told, selective or you dont fish. Safe areas plants are being increased with surplus fish. Selective gear in those areas will help sports keep the season open longer.

Right now, this minute, if the sports were not fishing selective for clipped KINGs in the ocean, the season would be closed.

Im not happy about losing some of the hatchery fisheries, but the govt itself and scientist have already determined what they are going to do. With recovery, there will eventually be some wild fish seasons, but the escapement numbers are different for each river.

Bottom line. you are pissing on the wrong people.

Show me that documentation.... You making that # up too?

Keith

Ask the state.

How are SAFE areas even called selective fishing..... Why push it to that?

Examples 2009:
The combined Youngs Bay winter/spring/summer fishery stock composition is based on VSI and CWT analysis with a total of 1,098 Chinook (35% of the combined catch of 3,123 Chinook) examined for fin marks and CWTs and 86 CWTs collected. The 2009 combined winter/spring/summer catch was comprised of 63.5% spring Chinook and 23.0% SAB fall Chinook destined for Select Area sites, 2.8% upriver spring Chinook, 0.7% upper Columbia summer Chinook (after June 15), 4.9% Willamette River spring Chinook, and 5.2% spring Chinook destined for the Cowlitz, Kalama, Lewis, or Sandy rivers. Based on scale readings, which were verified with CWTs, the age composition of the catch was <1% Age-2 (all SAB jacks), 13% Age-3, 70% Age-4, 16% Age-5, and <1% Age-6 fish.

Example Deep River 2009:
The Deep River winter/spring fishery stock composition was based on VSI and CWT analysis with a total of 122 Chinook (100% of the catch) examined for fin marks and CWTs, and 12 CWTs being collected. The 2009 Deep River catch was comprised of 59.0% spring Chinook destined for Select Area sites, 13.1% upriver spring Chinook, 17.2% Willamette River spring Chinook, and 10.7% spring Chinook destined for the Cowlitz, Kalama, or Lewis rivers. Based on scale readings, verified with CWTs, the age composition of the catch was <1% Age-3, 37% Age-4, and 62% Age-5.

I still don't understand going in that direction??

Keith

No documentation? So it's just hear say?

Keith

where is this recovery plan located so i can read it ?, do you have a link ?

Oh, you want me to go out of my way, to prove it?

I'll get right on that.

even if they are moving some it wont be that many.

No, I'm not asking to go out of your way. I was just curious... I couldn't find any facts that supported it. Sounds like at this point it's not documented and just hear say though...

Keith

Long day at work today, like to expand on this a bit. This is a perfect example of what could happen on the Columbia with weirs and seines. Proponents of the change to these methods have been saying all kinds of things such as we`re chicken littles or we`re watching for the black helicopters. Or that the fishing will somehow be more productive if the hatchery fish are removed.Yet in this example some think it`s funny that I wasted my time fishing above a weir. Wonder how funny they`ll think it is when thousands of sports waste their time fishing above weirs and seines? The gillnetters were the ones who pushed to outlaw those methods because they couldn`t catch fish above them with a GILLNET. Sports aren`t gonna have a prayer. And the upriver tribes will be pissed. Bill

bill, these people dont think that changing the gillnetters to a selective method will effect sportfishing, they are just that stupid.