#644953 - 12/16/10 12:23 PM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
[Re: McMahon]
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Sorry joined this a bit late and just caught the tail end of it. About the gays in the military, funny thing about that. A former Marine joined the National Guard and deployed with us in 06-07. The unit get backs and go everyone goes their separate ways. It turns out this guy got a gender change while still serving in the National Guard. This act of demanification was APPROVED by good 'ol Gregoire as he had to submit a request to do so. So if gays want to be in the military they just need to get a sex change and it will all be hunky dory.
Also I believe more things are classified now due to the different tactics that are being employed to combat and prevent terrorism. If a lot of that information got out we could lose some seriously GREAT AMERICANS that are deep in "Indian Country". As for the childish , oh we don't trust Iran or Syria or whomever BS, that shouldn't be classified as it has no affect on our National Security.
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#644970 - 12/16/10 01:26 PM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
[Re: RB3]
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River Nutrients
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So are you saying gay people can't be trusted with national security information?
All I can say is J Edgar Hoover, biggest flamer on the planet in his time.
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#644974 - 12/16/10 01:31 PM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
[Re: RB3]
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Oh no, the first portion was geared towards gays in the Military and the second was in response to the leaks. Just my opinion is all
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#644996 - 12/16/10 02:39 PM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
[Re: RB3]
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When it comes to WikiLeaks, much of media has planted its flag on the wrong side of the secrecy battle -- and so much of the reporting about WikiLeaks has served to obscure and mislead. One method they're using is to conflate the secrecy that governments use to operate and the secrecy that is used to hide the truth and allow governments to mislead us. Nobody, including WikiLeaks, is promoting the idea that government should exist in total transparency. But the government's legitimate need for secrecy is very different from the government's desire to get away with hiding the truth. And conflating the two is dangerously unhealthy for a democracy. That's why it's especially important to look at what WikiLeaks is actually doing, as distinct from what its critics claim it's doing. The establishment media may be part of the media, but they're also part of the establishment. And they're circling the wagons. Click link to read more. Exposing War Crimes Is No Crime
Edited by John Lee Hookum (12/16/10 02:41 PM)
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#645004 - 12/16/10 03:03 PM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
[Re: John Lee Hookum]
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Most journalists would rather suck up to their "sources" in the gubmint, rather than do any actual investigative journalism...orchestrated "leaks" to lapdog reporters has pretty much replaced the media as a watchdog and reporting group.
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#645016 - 12/16/10 03:31 PM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
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When it comes to WikiLeaks, much of media has planted its flag on the wrong side of the secrecy battle -- and so much of the reporting about WikiLeaks has served to obscure and mislead. One method they're using is to conflate the secrecy that governments use to operate and the secrecy that is used to hide the truth and allow governments to mislead us. Nobody, including WikiLeaks, is promoting the idea that government should exist in total transparency. But the government's legitimate need for secrecy is very different from the government's desire to get away with hiding the truth. And conflating the two is dangerously unhealthy for a democracy. That's why it's especially important to look at what WikiLeaks is actually doing, as distinct from what its critics claim it's doing. The establishment media may be part of the media, but they're also part of the establishment. And they're circling the wagons. Click link to read more. Exposing War Crimes Is No Crime Well said sir.
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#645049 - 12/16/10 06:59 PM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
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When it comes to WikiLeaks, much of media has planted its flag on the wrong side of the secrecy battle -- and so much of the reporting about WikiLeaks has served to obscure and mislead. One method they're using is to conflate the secrecy that governments use to operate and the secrecy that is used to hide the truth and allow governments to mislead us. Nobody, including WikiLeaks, is promoting the idea that government should exist in total transparency. But the government's legitimate need for secrecy is very different from the government's desire to get away with hiding the truth. And conflating the two is dangerously unhealthy for a democracy. That's why it's especially important to look at what WikiLeaks is actually doing, as distinct from what its critics claim it's doing. The establishment media may be part of the media, but they're also part of the establishment. And they're circling the wagons. Click link to read more. Exposing War Crimes Is No Crime Well said sir. yeah, Arianna has a way with words..
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#645053 - 12/16/10 07:05 PM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
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When it comes to WikiLeaks, much of media has planted its flag on the wrong side of the secrecy battle -- and so much of the reporting about WikiLeaks has served to obscure and mislead. One method they're using is to conflate the secrecy that governments use to operate and the secrecy that is used to hide the truth and allow governments to mislead us. Nobody, including WikiLeaks, is promoting the idea that government should exist in total transparency. But the government's legitimate need for secrecy is very different from the government's desire to get away with hiding the truth. And conflating the two is dangerously unhealthy for a democracy. That's why it's especially important to look at what WikiLeaks is actually doing, as distinct from what its critics claim it's doing. The establishment media may be part of the media, but they're also part of the establishment. And they're circling the wagons. Click link to read more. Exposing War Crimes Is No Crime Well said sir. yeah, Arianna has a way with words.. I shoulda known better 
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#645228 - 12/17/10 01:26 AM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
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When it comes to WikiLeaks, much of media has planted its flag on the wrong side of the secrecy battle -- and so much of the reporting about WikiLeaks has served to obscure and mislead. One method they're using is to conflate the secrecy that governments use to operate and the secrecy that is used to hide the truth and allow governments to mislead us. Nobody, including WikiLeaks, is promoting the idea that government should exist in total transparency. But the government's legitimate need for secrecy is very different from the government's desire to get away with hiding the truth. And conflating the two is dangerously unhealthy for a democracy. That's why it's especially important to look at what WikiLeaks is actually doing, as distinct from what its critics claim it's doing. The establishment media may be part of the media, but they're also part of the establishment. And they're circling the wagons. Click link to read more. Exposing War Crimes Is No Crime Well said sir. yeah, Arianna has a way with words.. I shoulda known better Click Link To Read More  
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#645234 - 12/17/10 01:48 AM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
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Diplomats should have a right to expect their conversations are held in the strictest confidence. The result of those conversations leaking will be even less transparency and methods used to prevent any further leaks. Enjoy these while you have them because you're not likely to see or hear more. Why? They need to operate in strict confidence because the U.S. government doesn't want to public to know just how many billions of dollars or fighter jets we're giving to Israel? Secret negotiations don't do anything. Obviously they didn't do anything to stop the attacks on 9/11. In a perfect world, diplomats would be required to provide meeting minutes to the public on what was said after every meeting. Or you can just continue on living in ignorance like the rest of this country and not worry about it.
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#645247 - 12/17/10 04:28 AM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
[Re: McMahon]
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Diplomats should have a right to expect their conversations are held in the strictest confidence. The result of those conversations leaking will be even less transparency and methods used to prevent any further leaks. Enjoy these while you have them because you're not likely to see or hear more. Why? They need to operate in strict confidence because the U.S. government doesn't want to public to know just how many billions of dollars or fighter jets we're giving to Israel? Secret negotiations don't do anything. Obviously they didn't do anything to stop the attacks on 9/11. In a perfect world, diplomats would be required to provide meeting minutes to the public on what was said after every meeting. Or you can just continue on living in ignorance like the rest of this country and not worry about it. +10 trillion...............$
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#645269 - 12/17/10 10:39 AM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
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.....the party’s focus will be on freedom of speech and transparency Click here: full story
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#646120 - 12/19/10 09:22 PM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
[Re: John Lee Hookum]
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Do you have any of your own thoughts or are you only able to cut and paste?
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#646240 - 12/20/10 01:23 AM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
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Saying to myself; "don't feed the Troll." Stay on topic and don't feed Troll. There!!!! Now he will starve or go away and eat his spawn. 
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#646673 - 12/21/10 11:55 AM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
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[quote=Hankster]
In a perfect world, diplomats would be required to provide meeting minutes to the public on what was said after every meeting.
Or you can just continue on living in ignorance like the rest of this country and not worry about it. Solving the mystery of the universe would be a simple task in comparison to discovering how someone as addlebrained as yourself can continue to function. Good comeback, douche!
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#647147 - 12/22/10 11:01 PM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
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The end to WikiLeaks and any other type of leaked documents is fast approaching. The U.S. intelligence community has an official response to those leaks. The CIA has launched the WikiLeaks Task Force. That's right...the WTF Squad is on the case. Does that mean Iraq is again the Axis of Evil. So Saddam Hussein was behind the leaks after all? Or will they be bombing Venezuela?
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