Right on Stacie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stacie, check my web site for some ideas on ethics and etiquette.
Banock

fishnfellaS, you should take your ill will and attitude towards bait fisherman over to the NW fishing board and see what kind of response you get. I'm sure calling all the salmon and steelhead fishermen over there non-sporting because they use bait will go over real well. I think this topic applies to that situation as well because of the hatchery vs. native issues surrounding our rivers. Good luck.

Why does it seem like all younger people like to pick on older type people. I used to use power bait but now I just fly fish and really enjoy it. When I take my granddaughter fishing at a put and take lake I let her use power bait as she won't touch any worms,and she isn't cordinated enough to fly fish. Besides by being a grumpy old man I don't have the patience to teach her. As my moniker says. old man.

My final post on this issue to the baiters whom I have incised.

I go out of my way to provoke your ire for several reasons.
1. You EARN little respect from me. You seem to think respect is a right.
It's not a right,it is earned by doing the right things.
Police your own, the sportsmen among you see the violations that have
been mentioned and do nothing The F&G Dept can't do it all. In some cases
the landowners of good fishing lakes and ponds are so sick of the pigs among
you they have closed off their waters.

2. Give way to more of our waters converting over to Quality fisheries. Support this
and enjoy it by learning to flyfish or single lure barbless lure fish and release
your catch correctly. You will never have quality fishing for your efforts to
progress to unless you do. I see too many of you complaining about small
fish. Do you not understand that you will never have a 15" fish to catch if
you jerk them out at 9" and eat them all.

3. Do not assume as one poster did that the F&G Dept. only function is to plant
a new batch of trout just for you to jerk out and eat and the world will come to an end if you don't
get em all this year, so F&G will have to plant a new batch next year. Learn
what conservation really is. I swear some of you must think it's saving your
hooks from rusting so you can use them over next time.
Part of it is the economics of running a meat program as F&G prioritizes their
efforts on currently. It's a loosing battle of diminishing returns.

Wish I could say it's been a good debate, but I can't.


Weather is improving......Etsssss fish!

Thanks Stace - you summed it up great!

Why do youngsters pick on older types..... fairly simple to me Jim. They have a problem with authority.

I've checked the profiles of a couple of the gripers on here. One is still a student, another is unemployed. A third one: I'm not sure of.

So, it's the standard thing of kids wanting to show their attitude.

They'd argue about it even it the statement was "they have five fingers on one hand".

I've got an idea... let's get an under 30 lake clean up going and see how many volunteer. I think the youngest on the first clean up was 42. Jim was the oldest.

I'm not sure how that relates to this discussion??

I know many more 50 and older fisherman who are bait fisherman that fly fisherman.

The point is, we all need to repect eachother, help teach others proper fishing ethics and respect for the environment, follow the regs, and how to safely enjoy the sport that we all love - no matter what particular form that takes on.

Zen, if you lost your job and were currently unemployed, would that make you any less of a responsible citizen?? what exactly do you mean to say with those kinds of comments??

i know that comment wasn't directed at me...but truthfully, are you that upset that you will resort to personal attacks?? whats next, name calling??

myself, i have never used powerbait (not because i have anything against it, i just havent gotten around to using it, thats all), but i do use bait sometimes, i also use hardware probably most of the time, and i also fly fish from time to time. i would NEVER look down on someone for the way they choose to pursue a fish, as long as they follow the regs like the rest of us do then that person is ok in my book.

Zen,
I am 52 years old and am fully employed, just for your information.
Banock

Hey guys, catch any fish lately? Thought not. Can't we all just be friends???? We are all grumpy, and fishin' season is just around the corner.

I regularly go both ways. Fly and spin. Both methods have their place, and I will always teach my sons that there is usually more than just one way to do something. Experiment, see what you like. Teach someone else who doesn't know what bait fishing is how to do it, teach them the effectiveness of spinners, or show them how to use a casting bubble for flies. If you don't know how to fish a particular method, ask someone.

The same argument comes up between bow and rifle hunter, guys who like the 9mm vs the .45 acp, and Ford vs Chevy. Do you think that the gentler sex, please take no offense Stacie, argues about whether a 10 amp vaccuum is needed for deep pile vs a 12 amp model? Well, if they do I would certainly be laughing at them.

Maybe we all need to take a trip to a trout farm.
Go catch a fish! Okay?

Zen, you still owe me a fly lesson. See, even Zen is doing his part.

Andy, the bi-fisherman.

No offence taken, although I couldn't tell you what horsepower my vacuum was. I'm not realy an active Domestic *******.

And while the guys in the office might argure you me being put among the gentler sex, I thank you!

HA HA HA HA

You are right. There are two sides to each activity. People can't be expected to like just ONE thing.

It's like my swordfighting. There aren't a lot of girls that do it, but there are a few. Now there is a certain group of guys that will say women do not belong on the battle field. Then you have a group that does support it. Doesn't mean one is more right than the other (although I will be more than happy to whoop some you know what for the ones that think we can't fight!).

We all just like different things. THANKFULLY!! Makes the world much more interesting.

Hey ******* isn't a bad word, how come the asteriks showed up!!!

Gees, I don't want someone to think I said a bad word!!

Fine, I'll spell it backwards ssedog.

Mike, what's up with that??

I find some of the attitudes very interesting. I will tell all of the people that think bait fishermen are slobs, when I return from the bank or boat launch, I ALWAYS return with more trash than I arrived with. I really can't believe that some people cannot pick up after theirselves. So please refrain from classifying all bait fishermen as slobs.

In short, I think that just like an opinion, I believe that we all should be able to fish in the manner that appeals to us. I believe fly fishermen have the right to fish that way, as I have the right to fish with bait (of course,on lakes that it is approved).

In my previous post, I did not mean to offend anyone concerning the father and son issue. I do realize that there are quite a few mothers and daughters that enjoy the sport also.

As for fishnfellas, I am also glad you are on the east side. I don't understand your attitude. Who are you to think that anyone is looking for YOUR respect? You need to come down off of your pedistal. It is easier to reach the water from down here where we are!

Dogfish,
I heard the other day that the pond at the end of old sand creek rd. had some pretty nice bass in it. Do you know anything about it.
Banock

Hey Zen, I think I'm probably the 3rd person in your profile quest and I didn't list an occupation because it's nobodys concern except my wife. I am under 30, 28 to be exact and have been at the same job for over 6yrs. If you can pick a lake to clean up in the north end and I'm not at work, I work alot of OT and weekends, I'll be there. I need more than a weeks notice though.

How about a little less time on the ol' computer and a little more time on the water actually doing a little fishing. GEEEEEEEEZZZZZ. :p

Stacie,
I have no idea why the filter does what it does. Seemed OK to me.
Thanks everyone for the interesting discussion. Even if you don't agree with what the other person is saying, at least you're getting a chance to hear it. And that isn't a bad thing. It floored me when I logged on and found 55 posts!

Mike and Stace - the 'g' word is blocked because it refers to a certain female 'guide' who recently flipped her drift boat on the OP. She is banned from Bob's PP site since she apparently caused a LOT of trouble over there...

Banock,

That lake in question is home to a fair number of bass AND bluegill. There are also some perch there. Never caught a trout there, but we will see. If you see a guy with two little boys in a green jonboat, that will be me. Andy