I like the hunting reference. When they are comparing snagging to hunting, they're just classifying snagging as hunting.... not fishing. Hunting is hunting and fishing is fishing.

Totally false.

Set up the under water video camera and watch, it has nothing to do with flossing.

I can get into details if you wish.

please do

My guess is they are biting the bare hooks?


What do you think the chances are that I'm right?

I think that too. It sounds like he might possibly have some footage?

I hate to put it in this thread…..but.

Years ago when this fishery was taking place I hooked up my under water video camera to the down rigger to see what was going on. The fish swim up, sometimes 5 or more at a time, and each one will take it’s turn and swim up behind the hook. About 50% of them will take the hook in their mouth for a split second and then back away. As far as taking the hook in their mouth, It didn’t really make a difference if it was a short leader or a long one, it was about the same. The difference was that since you are trolling very slow and the dodger isn’t moving much, the hook on the long leader doesn’t move as much as it does with a short leader. When the fish takes the hook in it’s mouth on a long leader it can easily spit it out, on a short leader when the hook moves it pokes the fish in the mouth and it shakes its head and sets the hook.

For those that think there is some sort of flossing going in this fishery, I’ll be more than happy to take you out and let you watch for yourself. The hooks will be bent so no fish will be harmed during the demonstration…….unless the season is open, then they’ll be eaten.

As far as a video of it, no, I have a terrible history with any type of camera (video included) when fishing. My wife even bought a waterproof model for me, it wasn't as waterproof as it should have been. My video cameras always end up in a water tight compartment that turns out to be not so water tight, although they do hold water very well.

ondarvr,

Interesting. I've heard the same story from a couple different sources as well.

I see that there is whole lot of free counseling going on over there as well.
Damn, I feel like I've been flossed by that Kalifornicator !
Well, I guess I'll be OK, he's a C&R guy......I think

cool dude. Growing up, mooching buzz bombs off of the peir by my house, the fish would always bite the hook when it was away from the buzzbomb. Idk. There was also a ton of krill where we were fishing. Raging tides would wash up tons of them. you could put a puddle of water in your hand and watch the mini shrimp like things swim around. I think they were krill. sockeye eat krill don't they?
maybe a small red hook will trigger a bite. A big presentation is not what they're looking for.

I like to use my emagination.

Go back to ifish, snagger.

Thank you gentlemen.

That spells out the entire rationale for my brand of hangback "flossing" for legitimate biters.

Kind of interesting to see all the folks coming out in defense of brazen flossing on Ifish, yet when I first posted my hangback method on that board a couple years ago, I was the one labelled the snagger.

Direct-Drive, what website are you getting the combat aircraft from ? Awesome photos. Keep em coming.

Just stealin' 'em from here and there.....no place in particular

JGrizzle,

I referred to hunting not because it's the same as fishing, but because people consider hunting to be "sporting" even though it doesn't involve any sort of willing take.

For what it's worth, the take is my favorite part of fishing and I don't have any desire to floss any fish or any need to "rationalize" anything. I usually fish with bobbers or hardware, which makes flossing not very likely.

People mostly just seem to be saying "that's the way it is" in support of whatever they believe, rather than *why* they believe it to be that way.

Ok dude. I wasn't directing that comment towards you. It's just common BS I hear from snaggers.

as for why:

Its that way because some people apreciate the carnage of hooking a fish and feeling the bend of the rod more than than the effort/skills that it takes to get to that point. People who use "prescision snagging" are just looking for a way to achieve the gratification of multiple ideas being used in unison to achieve catching a fish, without using their own critical thinking. For me, the gratification of all my knowledge and experience coming together, to entice a strike from a fish is why it is so appealing to me. The fight from the fish is a reward from my effort, and evidence that all that effort contributed to my reward. Flossers are looking for the gratification with little to no prerequisite effort. Therefor, it is unsporting in principle. For the same reason snaggers look for rationale, they consider flossing a sport- to make themselves feel like they aren't doing anything wrong.

Many snaggers also fuel their beliefs with the idea that they can hook way more fish than a legit angler. Even if that was so, they don't realize that legit anglers don't value a snagged fish, therefor we don't care.

Reasons I don't like snaggers:

they crowd
they litter
they're law breakers
they steel shitt out of my car
they often try to convert me
they spread like a disease
hostility is regular
they spook the fish
they boast to much
they get a boner no matter how they hook a fish
they rationalize too much
I've seen to many fish swimming around with multiple rigs/line hanging off of them


I'd rather do a little more thinking than a little more yanking.

thats the way I think, if that's what you were looking for mpm.

Ahh, another predictable, profound and prolific quote from the Head Troll.

Todd -

Allow me to clarify. The common theme is hypocrisy. Whether it's slamming flossing then turning around and fishing with more lethal methods (original post), or slamming flossing then doing it when in AK, many here seem to be talking out of both sides of their mouth and putting down fellow anglers in the process. It is this very "phenomenon" that prevents us from uniting as a group and saving our fisheries. We'll never be united with so much elitist "my ethics should be evrryones ethics" attitudes out there.

Snaggers can have their own prerogative, hell, they can have their own support group and talk about leader lengths and bead sizes when the yearly snagup on the Mad River kings rolls around...but I'm still going to call them what they are...snaggers, and a blight on our sport.

Don't like being called a snagger? Hurt your feelings?

Don't do it.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. I have no desire to "stand united as sportsmen" with snaggers, because they are not sportsmen, no matter how someone tries to justify it. Learn to fish.

We have a winner!

The voice of reason steps in. Great point AuntyM - couldn't agree more. Pretty much sums up how I feel and the motivation for my original post.

'Nuff said.