if we cant predict correctly how many fish are comming back how are we going to limit the strays to 5-10 percent without trying weirs ?

They already are. To protect what again??

Somehow I doubt you're "just trying to get this right", but I'll play along anyway.

We were moving that way just fine before the purse seines came along...more and more restrictions, shorter and shorter seasons, ESA steelhead in the Washington LCR tribs seriously restricting the springer fishery, making it an economically stupid commercial fishery to participate in.

As for the rest...we're back to the "goal" and "position" argument...a goal of less wild fish dead, and a measurable difference in the effects of hatchery fish on the spawning grounds is a fine goal, one that we should all advocate for.

The problem is that in spite of all the evidence, math, and logic to the contrary, many are advocating a position (must use purse seines) that will not do anything to accomplish either of those goals.

Fish on...

Todd

If you only look at the LCR, you would be correct. Its like you want the coach to call all the plays for the fourth quarter during the first quarter.
You continue to complain about seines and you dont even know whether its still part of the plan.

Ahh jeez LB... What's the new plan? CCA come up with something else you're keeping from us?

Or is the math finally settling in?

Keith

Tomorrow is Friday.

Have fun pounding sand.

Apparently the SAFE area fisheries are the CCA's plan now...

Fish on...

Todd

Where do I send my $25??

Keith

Best thing you ever could have done was stay out of grown folks business...

Probably should just set up a hot dog stand at the local ramp, ya think? I'll donate the relish....

Keith

"To both increase salmonid harvests and minimize adverse biological effects on natural populations, the HSRG recommends that most fisheries be managed as selective fisheries, where marked hatchery fish are retained and unmarked fish are released with minimal mortality. Selective commercial fishing gear needs to be developed and assessed for use in the Columbia River Basin. Additionally, the HSRG recommends that more hatchery fish be transferred to, and acclimated in, terminal fishing locales, where they can be harvested in known stock fisheries, with little mortality to other populations."



Who knows since CCA lives by this report maybe the plan is to get the terminal fisheries up to full speed for Oregon and then have Washington continue on with the seine programs.

Trust me, I'm very aware of what the HSRG has to say, got to have some participation in it back in the day.

Until and unless the ESA impact levels change (they won't, at least not for the better), none of this will put more spawners on the spawning grounds...

Fish on...

Todd

Phishing again?

do you think they are testing seines just to have something to do or do you think they are testing them to determine the release mortality rate that they have ?

Probably futile to try to change the ESA impact levels, probably easier to get the runs up to levels to de-list them and good luck with that based on outcomes so far. Allocating harvests (sports-commercials) could mitigate the potential adverse effects of a selective fishery on recreational fishing. Seems more do able than other options.

Theres a difference between policy and street results. If we can put the commercials in a restricted area and keep the hatchery production up, they could mandate hook restrictions. Who wouldnt trade a treble hook for more fish and a higher limit?