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#684757 - 05/24/11 09:49 AM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: Driftin']
2MANY Offline
2gone2fish

Registered: 01/21/11
Posts: 3435
Sounds like you need to mount a scabbord on your pit. Then you would have the best of both worlds in self defense.

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#684780 - 05/24/11 12:01 PM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: Driftin']
wntrrn Offline
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 2373
Loc: Edmonds
Originally Posted By: Driftin'
From a dog's perspective, one is either dominant or submissive. After a number of different breeds, I now have a rescued female pit and we savvy the concept. There is no doubt in her mind that this family is dominant over her. She's cool with that and has demonstrated so many times. She runs, off lead, behind my mountain bike and doesn't focus on anything else except following me, passing horses, people, dogs, et al without losing that singular focus. She's been attacked by other dogs a couple of times (I didn't see them first and the owners were not nearby), and she has returned to me to remedy the matter to our satisfaction-- sometimes with a dog firmly attached to her. The choice to walk in the world with a stalwart companion, whether a Pomeranian or a pit, comes with the requisite responsibilities.

That being said, a gun in the capable hands of someone makes them dominant over anyone/anything with bad intent. When choices are made to unwittingly question same, they oft write about such events in the local newspaper...

... with many unwittingly choosing to question same in the attendant comments section of the newspaper article....


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#684819 - 05/24/11 03:19 PM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: wntrrn]
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Originally Posted By: wntrrn
Big Stick..?


I speak softly.... wink
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#684830 - 05/24/11 04:25 PM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: Driftin']
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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Loc: Ahhhhh, damn dog!
I agree, too bad he did not get both of them. Bet he doesn't have any trouble there for some time......


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#684860 - 05/24/11 07:31 PM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
eddie Offline
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Autopsy results are out on the dead thief. Shot in the back - there could be issues - and rightfully so.
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#684861 - 05/24/11 07:35 PM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: eddie]
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Originally Posted By: eddie
Autopsy results are out on the dead thief. Shot in the back - there could be issues - and rightfully so.

Uh oh.
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#684862 - 05/24/11 07:40 PM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: Direct-Drive]
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Originally Posted By: Direct-Drive
Originally Posted By: eddie
Autopsy results are out on the dead thief. Shot in the back - there could be issues - and rightfully so.

Uh oh.


UGH!
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#684864 - 05/24/11 07:45 PM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: eddie]
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Shot him in the front, the back, the side, wherever. It doesn't change that the burglar was in the shooter's garage where he sure as heck doesn't belong at 4:30 AM or any other time of the day without an invitation. The homeowner shot and killed a burglar, improving society by one less burglar. How can this be anything but a positive influence in society?

Burglars who aren't killed are rewarded by our justice system with its revolving door system, putting them back on the streets, often in less than 24 hours. Most burglaries are committed by repeat offenders. They repeat because even when caught, there is no disincentive to stop burglarizing. The only action I'm aware of that stops burglars from burglarizing is the infrequent action of the victim killing the burglar. Being an open-minded person, if there is any alternative action that actually stops burglars from continuing to burglarize, and being an ongoing plague on society, I'll listen. Meanwhile I'm delighted when I learn there is one less burglar in our midst.

Sg

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#684869 - 05/24/11 08:02 PM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: Salmo g.]
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Although I agree that the burglar's death is a positive influence on society, I'm not prepared to sacrifice somebodies life just because it is a positive influence on society. Why not kill the poor, the super-rich and gas the Jews as well? Society would be better off if we reduced the size of the human herd by 90%.

Society only has a right to do things insofar as it doesn't infringe on the life, liberty or property of individuals. If this individual was legitimately threatened, he had a right to kill in self-defense but if this individual shot him in the back because he thought society would be better off, he has no right. This homeowner is likely going to jail or at least a long trial.

As for the remedy for burglars, it would be a two part punishment. First, I'd put them in the stocks for 24 hours and publicly beat the sh!t out of them with a whip, while letting the public insult, hit, kick, spit, urinate and defecate on the burglar at their discretion. Secondly, then put them indentured servitude until they worked off three times what they stole, which would pay back both the victim and court system.

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#684874 - 05/24/11 08:41 PM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: FishPrince]
Irie Offline
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Originally Posted By: FishPrince
When some poor guy tries to steal some petty item out of your garage the punishment is death. When some rich guy steals billions of our countries wealth and loots the economy the reward is the presidency. Ahh justice at it's finest.


The saying goes:

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rolleyes
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#684888 - 05/24/11 10:09 PM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: FishPrince]
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Registered: 05/03/01
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I would gladly solve any issue here at Palacio Garra Grande
by shooting an intruder in the face with a 230gr Speer Gold Dot. Pretty much ends it right there. Dump the mag and go for a reload. Classy move by rendering first aid. Shooter gets points for that.

Still a good shoot. All he needs to say is "I was in immediate fear for my life. I gave them commands to "stay right there and not to move (mother f'er's)". I thought they were making a move towards me and meant to do me grevious bodily injury. I need to talk wih my lawyer now."

Shoot them in the face, back, foot, leg, dick, ear or chest. Doesn't matter, as long as you make it out alive. Somebody on your property late at night, in your residence (detached garage counts towards "dwelling" as it is a part of your home. Attachment/detachment is not an issue since it is on the same property). Fvck 'em.
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#684889 - 05/24/11 10:15 PM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: Dogfish]
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BTW,

Call before you come over late at night. My 12 year old has the gate zeroed in.
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#684893 - 05/24/11 11:28 PM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: Dogfish]
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Registered: 01/11/03
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Loc: Discovery Bay, Wa.
One hundred percent behind the home owner. Also like the "dick shot". smile But I sure as Hell don't trust our legal system.
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#684900 - 05/25/11 05:10 AM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: Slab Happy]
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
Hopefully the home owner will come out alright.
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#684901 - 05/25/11 06:25 AM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: Direct-Drive]
eddie Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
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There was a case last year (Kitsap County, I think) where the homeowner chased after a burglar that was fleeing and shot him in the back. The homeowner was charged and as I recall, convicted. This will be an interesting case as it unfolds. Burglary is not a capital offense, however, when a burglar is a threat to someone's life, the game changes.
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#684914 - 05/25/11 07:31 AM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: eddie]
2MANY Offline
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Registered: 01/21/11
Posts: 3435
In todays world of fast food sometimes the back side is more threatening than the front.

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#684915 - 05/25/11 07:35 AM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: eddie]
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It's kind of hard to be a threat to someone's life when you are fleeing and get shot in the back.

I think we should go medieval on this landowner and give him the standard punishment of a fine of 59 solidi and 1 denarius for killing a landless peasant.

It would just be a waste of resources to imprison this landowner, who clearly isn't a threat to society at large.

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#684916 - 05/25/11 07:43 AM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: FishPrince]
fish4brains Offline
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Posts: 5106
Loc: zipper
The tweaker should not have been where he didn't belong, trying to steal something that wasn't his. Homeowner will be fine.
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#684918 - 05/25/11 08:01 AM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: fish4brains]
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Doubtful. It's not like he is in some po-dunk hick town that's full of rednecks who will be like "I'm glad the burglar's dead" and country gentlemen who will be all like "I'm sure merely a small fine is in order." He is going to trial in Tacoma where the jury will be full of plebs of the most vulgar type, most of whom are most likely burglars and tweakers themselves.

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#684936 - 05/25/11 09:52 AM Re: Early Report/Burglars Shot [Re: FishPrince]
Irie Offline
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Registered: 11/26/06
Posts: 4325
Loc: Your wife's closet.
Originally Posted By: FishPrince
Doubtful. It's not like he is in some po-dunk hick town that's full of rednecks who will be like "I'm glad the burglar's dead" and country gentlemen who will be all like "I'm sure merely a small fine is in order." He is going to trial in Tacoma where the jury will be full of plebs of the most vulgar type, most of whom are most likely burglars and tweakers themselves.


Then the foppish dandy should have the venue moved to a more suitable district lest he find himself remanded to the gentleman's gaol at her majesty's convenience.

rolleyes

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