#688875 - 06/15/11 01:44 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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I have to go with the .243 for young girls. No kick, not that .270 has much either but certainly more than the .243. Shoots flat and no deer has ever run away from a well placed shot I have seen. Nice little guns as long as you are only going for deer/roadies.
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#688904 - 06/15/11 03:21 PM
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.243   Light, easy to carry, little recoil, very accurate with the right loads. Ryan carried that .243 for 3 days and made a 130 yard neck shot at the age of 10. Ryan weighed less than 100lbs at the time. She can always upgrade to a larger caliber later.
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#688915 - 06/15/11 03:56 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Registered: 02/02/04
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Do the 243 then get the 270 later. Easy to find a smaller framed 243 that she will be more comfertable with. If she stays with it get her a nicer 270 later or semi auto -06 if she happens to get the Elk bug. Don't want her flinching while she is learning to shoot. .22 are way under rated for kids on many levels. My kids can put a couple of hundred bucks of ammo into dirt hill so fast it will make your head spin. Thank god for the 22s when they get bored with em they are bagging for the bigger guns.
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#688921 - 06/15/11 04:12 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Registered: 02/02/04
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Loc: N of Seattle
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I have one of those rossi single shots with a 243 and 20 ga barrels for it that was a waste of time and money. It has seen about a box of shells and I doupt it will ever leave the house again. Do not buy one. Your welcome to use mine to let her try it if you would like. Don't know if its the cheep scope or barrel but I couldn't get any type of group with it. You can try the kids model 70 that they have both killed deer with too.
My brother has an old rem 243 that is one of the ugliest guns you will ever see and has spent more time under a truck seat than any gun ever should. That thing is always dead on. Probably has killed a dozen deer and a hundred yotes.
Let me know
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#688932 - 06/15/11 04:44 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Wenatchee, WA
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Both are great.
The 270 is by far the better choice. Load it way down and it will kick less, be accurate, and kill better should a 16 year old not hit the animal perfectly. Will kill both deer and elk.
O'conner was no fool. I have both, so my kiddo will probably start with the .243 but I think if I was buying 1 rifle I'd get the .270. She sounds like a solid kiddo, so she should be able to take the recoil of the .270 (load it down a little). Look at the Tika T-3. That's what my .270 is, and it's been a great rifle. Adjustable trigger, detachable mag, and very accurate. A solid rifle for the money IMO.
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#688946 - 06/15/11 05:54 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Registered: 07/06/04
Posts: 1086
Loc: Everett
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P.S. What size scope for a .270??????.
3X9?????
Fixed 4x Simpler,less weight,and will do everything a new hunter needs.
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#688953 - 06/15/11 06:26 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Registered: 11/10/09
Posts: 8060
Loc: Vancouver, WA
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Do the 243 then get the 270 later. Easy to find a smaller framed 243 that she will be more comfertable with. If she stays with it get her a nicer 270 later or semi auto -06 if she happens to get the Elk bug. Don't want her flinching while she is learning to shoot. .22 are way under rated for kids on many levels. My kids can put a couple of hundred bucks of ammo into dirt hill so fast it will make your head spin. Thank god for the 22s when they get bored with em they are bagging for the bigger guns. This is spot on advice. Get what is best for her, not what you want. Let her master the .243 and maybe someday she will want to step up to something else. .243 and my favorite, 6mm Rem are very effective deer cartridges and hell on varmints.
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#688977 - 06/15/11 07:58 PM
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Registered: 04/29/06
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Nothing wrong with either choice in the right package that balances well. The primary variable(s) at this point is your daughter's changing stature and the game animals that the two of you will pursue. A rifle that is too heavy will preclude wandering too far afield and the .243 would be considered by many to be too light for the likes of a heavy-boned bull elk.... If you roll your own ammo, there may be other options with light recoil and proven terminal performance. I have tipped over elk with a magnum and have also harvested mulies with a .270. I'm liking the weight/balance/ballistics of a quarter-bore -06 with a 100 gr. TTSX over an ample dose of R22 and a Federal 210M go button for deer & elk. It carries easy, and the X's at 3,400+ fps will seal the deal. For your initial choices, go 130 gr. X's in the .277 or 80/85 gr. (TTSX/TSX) in the .243. Federal loads 'em too.... For glass and light rings, you'd be hard pressed to beat Leupold on Talley Lightweights or Leupold 2-pieces. From lightest to heaviest-- 6x42, 2.5-8x, 3.5-10x with a standard duplex reticle. The fixed six may be a bit much for westside bush whacking. Lacking an elevation turret (M1) on the above, sighting in at around 2.5" high at 100 yards will put you right on at 250 and around 3 inches low at 300 yards. POA = POI for lung shots out to that distance. Federal's website has ballistics tables and a calculator for their ammo. JBM's trajectory/drift calculator can be downloaded for refined analysis of hand loads.... http://www.jbmballistics.com/Have fun hunting for a new shootin' iron!
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#689065 - 06/16/11 10:52 AM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Registered: 11/29/04
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My son has shot game animals with both the .270 and the .243. He shot his mom's .270 win m 70 until I gave him a win 70 in 7mm-08. This buck he killed with Mom's .270.  He's put the hurt on a nice bear with mom's rifle as well.  Things really took off when Thomas started shooting the 7mm-08. This was a rifle I won at a banquet, it is a stainless Winchester model 70. I topped it with a Leupold 3-10 x 40 Boone & Crockett multi plex reticle, a Harris bi-pod and a Butler Creek sling. The Leupold scope matches up very well with the ballistics of the lil 7 when using 140 gr bullets @ 2, 3, 4 & 450 yards. The 7-08 has virtually no recoil or flinch creating muzzle blast, and due to that instills confidence instead of fear . He absolutely loves that rifle for deer hunting. He has used that rifle to take big muleys, antelope & blacktails. None of them have required a second shot.        He whacked this fine Wyoming antelope at 520 yards with the trusty 7-08.  I find myself sneaking the little 7 out of the safe as well proving that it ain't just for kids ...  Not really recommending it for kids, but he borrowed my .300 weatherby mag to put the hammer on this goat. Using the skills of proper shooting form that he had learned using smaller calibers, he proved that he can shoot even heavy recoiling rounds with authority...  I won a Remington 700 SPS in .243 at a Rocky Mountain elk foundation banquet a couple years back. I had a choice of calibers and chose the .243. In my younger days I was a big magnum fan, but I have really fallen in love with these accurate, low recoiling calibers. The Remington SPS is a very affordable rifle that shoots like a much more expensive unit. With the .243, you can see your hits through the scope due to it's almost nonexistent recoil. It is a superb choice for a kid. We have pretty much designated the .243 as a coyote rifle, it shoots great groups using cheap Federal factory ammo within 80 gr projectiles. I have a hard time prying it from Thomas's hands...  Bottom line, I HIGHLY recommend either the .243 or the 7mm-08 as a youth rifle. Both will put deer on the ground with authority. Most importantly these calibers will teach kids to shoot well as they will not fear heavy recoil or muzzle blast and will in turn be able to learn good shooting form that will last a lifetime.
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#689090 - 06/16/11 01:27 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Registered: 04/29/06
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In my younger days I was a big magnum fan, but I have really fallen in love with these accurate, low recoiling calibers.
The Remington SPS is a very affordable rifle that shoots like a much more expensive unit. As usual, Sal is in the center ring. The efficiency of the '08 case combined with 7mm ballistics can't be argued. It is also one that could be used for larger game such as elk. Bullet technology/manufacturing have also improved in the past couple of decades, affording higher velocities/ballistic coefficients with nearly 100% bullet weight retention. This is another reason why lighter calibers are much more effective and popular. As I get older, my gear has gotten lighter with the vertical staying about constant in a typical day afield. That also includes my choice of rifle. After toting a 7mm RM for many years, I was considering either the 7-08 or .284 but inheriting my father's .25-06 SPS (in stainless = hint) gave me another option. I also liked that the 100 gr. TTSX trajectory was significantly flatter than the 7-08 pushing its ideal 140 gr. TTSX. Both share the same kinetic energy and minimal recoil with the long action tipping the scale a bit more that the short. Hopefully, I'll be able to sort out a spike bull this fall and see what the zippy quarter-bore will do at the terminal end of the equation.... I look forward to seeing your daughter's smiles in the forthcoming range and hunting trip photos. Seems to work well for both Sal and Thomas.... 
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#689331 - 06/17/11 07:32 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 1844
Loc: Wenatchee, WA
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Congrats Dad! Good for you (and her). Be sure and clean the barrel before shooting, and do a good job of breaking the rifle in the first 15-20 shots. Have fun!!!!!!
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#689334 - 06/17/11 07:43 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 10979
Loc: McCleary, WA
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Bernie,
If you have .270 dies and want to reload for that rifle, I have about 8 different bullet weights from 95 grain TTSX to some 130 gr Accubonds, so I could slide you a few of each. For plinking I have a few thousand 115gr FMJ's, if you need them.
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#689578 - 06/19/11 01:22 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Registered: 01/13/00
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Good choice on the 270 Winchester. I have both calibers in my rifle rack & my  is that of most guys, the .270 Win is simply more versatile if your going to do all our NW hunting w/ one gun. My 1982 Ruger M-77 .270 has killed a ton of big game (Montana & Washington) w/ some shots out to just under 400 yards. Mine might be a freak, but off a bench it will shoot 5 Sierra 90 grain HP's into 1.25" @ 100 yards, & put 3 Nosler 160 grain partitions into .75" w/ my loads. Mine has a lightweight taper 22" bbl. My current hunting load is a Nosler 130 grain Ballistic Tip @ 3100+ fps w/ a maximum charge of Reloader 17. c/22
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#689598 - 06/19/11 02:27 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Registered: 12/30/08
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Well,I pulled the trigger on the heads up from deerlick.She ended up with a .270 22" barrel savage with the 3X9X10 combo camo synthetic on sale @ cabela's for $329.99.Bought a box of 130 to run through it this weekend and maybe even tonight if she's lucky.We will up grade and change thing's later down the road if need be,maybe for graduation in 4 years if she sticks with it.I was real close to getting the 7mm-08 but held back.She doesn't know it yet but she will in an hour or so.I'll let her pick out the sling & case later this weekend.Anyone know were a girl can get a pink camo rifle sling???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? and case.Thanks all.Good luck,
SZ sportco has the pink camo sling, wife just had to have it.
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#693950 - 07/16/11 12:11 AM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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#694041 - 07/16/11 03:16 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Well,I pulled the trigger on the heads up from deerlick.She ended up with a .270 22" barrel savage with the 3X9X10 combo camo synthetic on sale @ cabela's for $329.99.Bought a box of 130 to run through it this weekend and maybe even tonight if she's lucky.We will up grade and change thing's later down the road if need be,maybe for graduation in 4 years if she sticks with it.I was real close to getting the 7mm-08 but held back.She doesn't know it yet but she will in an hour or so.I'll let her pick out the sling & case later this weekend.Anyone know were a girl can get a pink camo rifle sling???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? and case.Thanks all.Good luck,
SZ SZ, to put the "Icing" on the end of that 270 barrel, I would take a little trip down to Orygun, just a tad south of PorkLand on I-5 is the Donald/Aurora Exit. Go to Rich's Gunshop in Donald and have him put a muzzle break on the barrel, it's one of Lee's specialities. The one he uses looks much like the Browning/Winchester BOSS system, but Lee (the Owner) has been doing them before the BOSS's ever hit the market. My elk hunting rifle is a custom 338 on a very light synthetic stock and kick so hard it left bruises. After Lee put the break on it, I could not tell the felt recoil differences between it and my 270 or 30-06's. Highly Recommend it & Lee's work. Google "Rich's Gunshop", he has a very good website.
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#694148 - 07/17/11 12:38 AM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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May as well ask Santa to sew a dick on your Old Lady too(not that you haven't already).
Down range performance is a function of the whole enchilada and a 270Win do not trump a 243Win,in any meaningful way other than recoil,expense and sucktitude.
Humored that a 270 stoked with 130's at 3100fps are held in "esteem". That's a paltry .433BC,at mundane levels. Easy to toss a .505BC in a 243Win at like speeds...if only for conversation.
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#694329 - 07/18/11 01:24 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Only someone who shoots/kills as little as you,could botch that obvious. Weight is easily one of the most moot designators amongst a boolits descriptors,as is SD. Only you cited a "130gr 6mm".
As to .243" projectiles of greater than 105 grains weight being mainstays,they most assuredly are amongst some disciplines. 6mm 115's are fairly ubiquitous and from several makers,all of which is well over your head. BC's in that realm will get you to .585 assuming you are "discussing" a G1 drag function. The G7 function will of course be a lesser designator in extrapolation,though of like flight characteristics.
More importantly than lauding BC solely,one should give great thought to terminal affects,a designator conveniently widely missed by both "weight" and "SD" "factors". All boolits of like diameter/weight,share the exact same SD,though it will be "news" only to you. Now despite those moot designators,BC and construction will be vastly different.
A SAAMI 243Win twisted in accords(1-8" if you've the 115 penchant,which I don't,so stated the 105 plainly from inception) will do very nice things from s/a confines,even in OEM guise. Opt an extended internal box(Wyatt or similar) or opt an extended DBM (HS or AICS namely) and things get even better.
In an over the counter modest barrel lengthed rifle chambered SAAMI 243,the .505/105 will do 3100fps,which in a mean-esque atmosphere,will stay supersonic to 1500yds+. The aforementioned 130gr Ballistic Tip can't hang in any realm,but on the bright side it's heavier,burns more powder,is longer,handles/balance worse,kicks harder,costs more to shoot and that horns some folks up.
Much appreciate your taking the time to extoll your "knowledge"...that was great! I bet you're hell on Humpies.
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#694367 - 07/18/11 03:57 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Both cartidges are improvements over their parent cartridges, 270 Win/.30-06 and .243/.308, but I would agree that the .243 certainly was the better end result. It is a very efficient cartridge.
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#694371 - 07/18/11 04:03 PM
Re: .243 or .270??????????
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Schweet
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You gotta neck the suck outta both parents,to steal the show...though the .505BC 155 Scenar in 30cal,do rate a thunk if forced to suffer said diameter.
Take both to 7mm and you are really ringing the bell. Punch same AI and it gets ugly fast(so I do). Shoot 6-06AI too and it ain't a slouch. Shoot 25-06AI and it ain't too hard to take.
No trick to slap a 270Win around easily,with less case capacity and a far more lithe parcel that'll out Agg it.
I hear good things about the .625BC 162's in the 284-08.
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#694649 - 07/19/11 09:16 PM
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Registered: 11/10/09
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1. I would have liked to have seen the young lass start with a .243 and hone her marksmanship skills with that. 2. A 105 - 107 grain 6mm pill out of an AR approaching 3000 fps sounds like long range fun  (especially if it could spank a Grendel)
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#694705 - 07/20/11 01:44 AM
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Registered: 05/03/01
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I like my 6.8 SPC with either the 110gr or 95 Gr TTSX. Both are more than enough for deer. Not too stout, and at our chipshot ranges for Western WA blacktails, wind drift is not an issue. The boys hgave taken 3 deer with the rifle to date. Longest shot was maybe 70 yards. Shortest was maybe 20 yards.
2850 fps is about all folks are safely getting out of the 95gr pill.
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#694771 - 07/20/11 03:39 PM
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Registered: 04/29/06
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A SAAMI 243Win twisted in accords(1-8" if you've the 115 penchant,which I don't,so stated the 105 plainly from inception) will do very nice things from s/a confines,even in OEM guise. Opt an extended internal box(Wyatt or similar) or opt an extended DBM (HS or AICS namely) and things get even better.
In an over the counter modest barrel lengthed rifle chambered SAAMI 243,the .505/105 will do 3100fps,which in a mean-esque atmosphere,will stay supersonic to 1500yds+. Nice rifle recipe 'round the 6mm/.243 105 A-Max for those so inclined....
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#694895 - 07/21/11 09:38 AM
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Shwinnng,
"Only someone who shoots/kills as little as you,could botch that obvious. Weight is easily one of the most moot designators amongst a boolits descriptors,as is SD. Only you cited a "130gr 6mm"."
- Well, ya got me on that point. I have not shot a .243 in 27 years +/-. Back in the day a 105 Nosler part was about as stout as I could find to load. As I was loading for heavier game I was looking for more mass, not more speed. Sooo, a 130 gr in .243 woulda floated my boat jest fine.
"As to .243" projectiles of greater than 105 grains weight being mainstays,they most assuredly are amongst some disciplines. 6mm 115's are fairly ubiquitous and from several makers,all of which is well over your head."
- And, again you got me there as well, over my head.
"BC's in that realm will get you to .585 assuming you are "discussing" a G1 drag function. The G7 function will of course be a lesser designator in extrapolation,though of like flight characteristics."
- And again, real big words like gag, er, I mean drag.
"More importantly than lauding BC solely,one should give great thought to terminal affects,a designator conveniently widely missed by both "weight" and "SD" "factors". All boolits of like diameter/weight,share the exact same SD,though it will be "news" only to you. Now despite those moot designators,BC and construction will be vastly different.
- Even vastly different construction as well? Wow! I'd hardly though much beyond the pb. But, I think that is part of what you're trying to tell me here?
"A SAAMI 243Win twisted in accords(1-8" if you've the 115 penchant,which I don't,so stated the 105 plainly from inception) will do very nice things from s/a confines,even in OEM guise. Opt an extended internal box(Wyatt or similar) or opt an extended DBM (HS or AICS namely) and things get even better."
- Hey now, I'm a cutt'n and a past'n al this billnye science stuff to my updated loading manual for sure, thanks!
"In an over the counter modest barrel lengthed rifle chambered SAAMI 243,the .505/105 will do 3100fps,which in a mean-esque atmosphere,will stay supersonic to 1500yds+. The aforementioned 130gr Ballistic Tip can't hang in any realm,but on the bright side it's heavier,burns more powder,is longer,handles/balance worse,kicks harder,costs more to shoot and that horns some folks up."
- But will it kill a deer? The .130 gr BT that is. And no matter what you say, I still like those old Nosler 105s in my.243, so don't even try and talk me outta that!
"Much appreciate your taking the time to extoll your "knowledge"...that was great! I bet you're hell on Humpies."
- And thank you Schweet, for your help here.
Schweeettttttttt, did you note that feint high bypass ratio jet engine-like sound passing over yer head? Fore perhaps...
Now, ass too the Humpy issue, well, I never use a rifle for Humpies, when a 28 gage sxs will do just fine!
NPT's never were any good,but they've long enjoyed paltry BC's to "compliment" their integrity. Great time to post some pics of your "victims" and perhaps touch even a little deeper on how your "keen sense" in regards to ballistics and the like,connected those dots. I dig how playing dumb,isn't an act for you. Take notes,apply same and much improve your game. That'd be both figurative and literal,with a pun to boot.
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#694897 - 07/21/11 09:40 AM
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A SAAMI 243Win twisted in accords(1-8" if you've the 115 penchant,which I don't,so stated the 105 plainly from inception) will do very nice things from s/a confines,even in OEM guise. Opt an extended internal box(Wyatt or similar) or opt an extended DBM (HS or AICS namely) and things get even better.
In an over the counter modest barrel lengthed rifle chambered SAAMI 243,the .505/105 will do 3100fps,which in a mean-esque atmosphere,will stay supersonic to 1500yds+. Nice rifle recipe 'round the 6mm/.243 105 A-Max for those so inclined.... A chambering can be only as good as the boolits it's fed and boolits matter FAR more than headstamps. Few savvy the most basic of those constants.
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#694973 - 07/21/11 03:23 PM
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#695047 - 07/21/11 07:29 PM
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But, there are lotsa birds and fish to mourn over and with some good drink, a back slap or two, we can then go through the guns for some helpful pointers on what may be missing in my armory?
Then we can grab a sack of apples, head down to range and I'll show you what those babies can do.
Redd
That's better
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#695087 - 07/21/11 09:42 PM
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As stated b4 have I both the aforementioned calibers in my rack, a Ruger M-77 in 270 & a tackdriving Winchester M-70 heavy varmint w/ 26" stainless bbl.
The Ruger is my hunter, the Winchester a nice target rifle.
When taking a shot on game the bigger 270 gets the nod, a 140 grain Nosler Accubond w/ its .496 bc & 3000 fps mv bucks crosswinds & slices atmosphere.
Gonna have to make do till that .338 Lapua magically shows up.
c/22
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#695105 - 07/21/11 11:00 PM
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No digi-picts of my deer to post here. We do have some old glossy silver nitrate based black and whites glued into the photo album, and you'd be welcome to come over to the house and share some hunting memories with me and the pack?
Only a few dead deer will be shown as I have only hunted deer on the rare occasion, and like I said, back in the day.
But, there are lotsa birds and fish to mourn over and with some good drink, a back slap or two, we can then go through the guns for some helpful pointers on what may be missing in my armory?
I know you just missed it above, but I already told you, I was all over your magical formulae and wrote all of import to a post-it for future additions to my loading manual.
I will need further help with cramming all that information into the Lee Loader box however, so send me a PM for a visit and possibly a front seat ride in the DB for some summer run & pink fishing?
You can swim, can't you?
Redd
Very easy to take a digital pic of a print...from any Era. You flatter yourself to think you'd rate the company,though you are undoubtedly very much aquainted with running on imagination. In fairness,I've prolly knocked a fish in the head once and knocked a bird outta the sky as well,so am at ease in the conversation of all wares associated(understatement). Happy Humpying.
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#695109 - 07/21/11 11:07 PM
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As stated b4 have I both the aforementioned calibers in my rack, a Ruger M-77 in 270 & a tackdriving Winchester M-70 heavy varmint w/ 26" stainless bbl.
The Ruger is my hunter, the Winchester a nice target rifle.
When taking a shot on game the bigger 270 gets the nod, a 140 grain Nosler Accubond w/ its .496 bc & 3000 fps mv bucks crosswinds & slices atmosphere.
Gonna have to make do till that .338 Lapua magically shows up.
c/22 The 140 cain't hang with a 22" SAAMI 243Win. I'd rather be slingin' 162's,than beating on things with my 1-10" 338Ultra. Tough to arrange a 338Lapua that's throated/twisted right,over the counter. Many are 12",which slams doors from the get-go. Really very tough to beat the Ultra,when talking .338" bores and a repeater. The 250 and 300 Scenar's are tough acts to follow,though I've been praying to Little Baby Jeezus for a .338" A-Max for many moons(would like 'em in .257" too). It's ALL about the boolit and .277's are hosed for that reason,whether they SPC,06,Wby or otherwise.
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#695111 - 07/21/11 11:11 PM
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The best rifle is the one that an individual can shoot accurately and knows the rifles limitations and his or her own. Light done right,is where the most results lay. Conjoin a nice blueprint with a twist/throat in harmony to it's COAL and that which you couldn't have fathomed the day prior,becomes mundane the next. No trick to placing crosshairs where one wishes and having the boolit arrive same...but not all chamberings deliver like results,at like range. So very often...less is very simply so much more. Old Notions and addled Wives Tales die lingering deaths,as so eloquently extolled here within. But it's entertainin'.
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#695132 - 07/22/11 12:07 AM
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Registered: 04/29/06
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As stated b4 have I both the aforementioned calibers in my rack, a Ruger M-77 in 270 & a tackdriving Winchester M-70 heavy varmint w/ 26" stainless bbl.
The Ruger is my hunter, the Winchester a nice target rifle.
When taking a shot on game the bigger 270 gets the nod, a 140 grain Nosler Accubond w/ its .496 bc & 3000 fps mv bucks crosswinds & slices atmosphere.
Gonna have to make do till that .338 Lapua magically shows up.
c/22 The 140 cain't hang with a 22" SAAMI 243Win. I'd rather be slingin' 162's,than beating on things with my 1-10" 338Ultra. Tough to arrange a 338Lapua that's throated/twisted right,over the counter. Many are 12",which slams doors from the get-go. Really very tough to beat the Ultra,when talking .338" bores and a repeater. The 250 and 300 Scenar's are tough acts to follow,though I've been praying to Little Baby Jeezus for a .338" A-Max for many moons(would like 'em in .257" too). It's ALL about the boolit and .277's are hosed for that reason,whether they SPC,06,Wby or otherwise. Brad, You're up! I'll go work on some popcorn....
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#695148 - 07/22/11 01:26 AM
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Captain C/22 - Team Stay Up Right!
Registered: 01/13/00
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Stick & could chase tails all week, talking ballistic coefficients & sectional density, maintaining sub MOA @ extreme distance & the effect of the lunar cycle on the rotational speed of a streamlined projectile.
What it comes down to are two different applications of the hunting rifle. Mine is more traditional, the hunting of pronghorn, mule deer & elk with shots of 300 yards or much less if possible, while having rifle, ammo & mindset prepared to take a 400+ yard shot if conditions demand & I feel I can hit it.
His discipline is more modern & complex, the shooting of coastal blacktail deer @ distance from the high ground, employing a well rested rifle, laser rangefinder & a repeatable turreted scope.
Now, his black bear hunting falls more into a spot & stalk mode. But he, I think, will be first to admit that the 2 calibers under discussion wouldn't be anyone's 1st choice.
Pass the popcorn.
c/22
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#695177 - 07/22/11 09:41 AM
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First it's O'Connor and secondly,he was King Of The Dinks,during The Age Of The HOGS. Folks like Elgin Gates were lightyears ahead of poor JOC,during the very same era. JOC could simply right purty,which enthralled the clueless,by his outpouring of fluff. I'm far more Meat & Taters and am at ease denoting things how they is and will leave purty to them who dabble in fluff.
All chamberings change in their relative merit,due to boolit selection and it never doesn't not amaze me,as to how many reliably miss that and by a mile. One's rifle doesn't get heavier,longer,lose balance/handling nor are there any other concessions inherent in operating with a clue. Many are under the illusion that they gotta boldly take gear to Star Wars Technology,to eek the goody,which is very much not the case. Those gross misunderstangings,coupled with being totally devoid a ballistics clue,very often leads to rather amusing conversation(s). Shooting is only "hard" for those who don't shoot and it seems noone shoots anymore.
Just as few would take a great knife and dull it upon rocks before heading out on a Hunt,or cut seams in new boots or have their pooch chew holes in their new rainwear,it's curious to me that the masses enthrall in doing same to a rifle and upon many levels. With but an inkling of an understanding,it is very easy to field a platform at it's maximum inherent potential,as opposed to leaving 85% of that availability benign by default. All less concession.
Now those constants being said,I'd state plainly that the SAAMI 243Win is a literal GIANT Killer,as typically offered over the counter. Further,it is a great first choice for tipping Critters over at distances,that'd make most more than a leetle squeamish. Why is that? Simply due to projectile availability,within said bore sizing. When a 270Win's Trump Card is to "nearly mimic" 243Win performance,such things is enlightening to them with a clue. I'd liken it akin to chest waders that keep you almost as dry as hip boots,but not to the depths of the hippers. Such factoids leave little to get horned up about,whether it Theory or Application...yet the cats in the chest waders will never quit grasping at straws,as faint hope to satiate their cluelessness being "on purpose".
I dig it when folks start "telling" me stuff,factored by their "experience" and "results". Was looking forward to some scattergun fluff too.
You guys are on fire,keep at it!
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#695311 - 07/22/11 08:53 PM
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Registered: 11/10/09
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.243 Winchester is a nice round but I'd take my 6mm Remington first.
A little faster and a little purdier.
The one I'm in want of lately is 6BRX.
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#695402 - 07/23/11 09:32 AM
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I shoot 6mm and 6AI both,with equal disdain. They are hungchow in a short action and if going long,why form to less case capacity when the 6-06/6-06AI are so viable?
In a s/a the 6-284 is a better mousetrap than anything on the Mouser hull,due to COAL latitude...which brings a guy full circle back to boolits. A rifle can be no better than it's boolits and when COAL constraints preclude the good stuff,chamberings so plighted are easily passed upon,in order to get to the good stuff. Some boolits certainly rate building a rifle around and the aforementioned 105 is assuredly in such ranks.
The 243AI is 6MM Rem case capacity,with SAAMI 243Win COAL latitude. Win/win. The BR or any of it's Wildcat spawn,has never called me,mainly because I can't forget that I like speed. Same as 6mm's on the 223,22-250 or the like. Perhaps a PPC,if forced to suffer short range Bench Queen affairs. Very nice BC's at meaningful speeds,make a guy hate everything else.
I'm done with tight necks and long barrels too.
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#695412 - 07/23/11 10:16 AM
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Registered: 11/10/09
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...why form to less case capacity when the 6-06/6-06AI are so viable?
Simple, to fit an AR magazine. Those short, fat boiler rooms get it done in that platform. Also competition bolt guns are proving that the design is worthy.
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#695438 - 07/23/11 01:01 PM
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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Real men shoot a bow, wear a loincloth and hide behind bushes. Might as well go full-meal-deal 
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#695462 - 07/23/11 09:08 PM
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.300RUM... Best all around cartridge for real men/women or kids....
Keith
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#695470 - 07/23/11 10:24 PM
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ExtenZe Field Tester
Registered: 11/10/09
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.300RUM... Best all around cartridge for real men/women or kids....
Keith Made me think of this : http://youtu.be/tBslqsP5UJw
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#695492 - 07/24/11 09:27 AM
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...why form to less case capacity when the 6-06/6-06AI are so viable?
Simple, to fit an AR magazine. Those short, fat boiler rooms get it done in that platform. Also competition bolt guns are proving that the design is worthy. I've no interest with a .473" or greater boltface on a '15. Go AR-10 of course and you've 2.800" or better COAL to work with. I'd much rather have a 243 or 243AI on a '10,than any 6mm shoe-horned into a '15. Fact is a "short" barreled SAAMI 243Win on a '10,is a rather wicked machine. I'm not hip on feeding self shuckers with brass that's $1 a pop,while polishing a turd to boot. I'd hang pics,but someone would wanna pay me to place them in a magazine. Pun intended. The 6BR/X as a LR belly gun in F-Class or similar,are typically laden with very long spouts,many of which are 28" if not 30". Pass the 22" 243/243AI and hold the fluff.
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#695493 - 07/24/11 09:35 AM
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.300RUM... Best all around cartridge for real men/women or kids....
Keith If it were shortened to 2.500" or so,like the lopped H&H spawn(264Win,7mmRem,270Wby,7Wby,etc),it'd be sumptin'. As it sets,the 300 Ultra is very COAL stingy,beings it has no wiggle room to work with as a repeater fed high BC's. Which of course is part of the appeal in the 338Ultra and it's shorter hull. Folks is to quick to fixate headstamps,which mean far less than boolit selection. Very easy to coax a .625BC kissing lands from within it's box,ala 7mm RemMag on a 700 and it'll always steal the show,with 3100fps from a 24" being a breeze. It's the free-est of lunches,regarding relative "Oooomph",residual speed,wind bucking and bang for the buck,on top of minimal felt recoil. The big picture escapes most,if not all.(grin)
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#695501 - 07/24/11 10:44 AM
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Registered: 11/10/09
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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...why form to less case capacity when the 6-06/6-06AI are so viable?
Simple, to fit an AR magazine. Those short, fat boiler rooms get it done in that platform. Also competition bolt guns are proving that the design is worthy. I've no interest with a .473" or greater boltface on a '15. Go AR-10 of course and you've 2.800" or better COAL to work with. That's the allure. The Grendel and/or SPC based 6mm's strain to reach 2800 which isn't bad. The 6BRX is over 3000 with a 20" barrel and will feed through an SPC magazine. This is fairly new, there two firms offering 6BRX for AR15, BR Armament Technologies and AR Performance. I like the AR Performance 6BRX bolt/BE system better than what BRAT offers (Olympic system). AR308 is a different animal. I would probably want to launch 6.5's out of that beast.
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