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#714608 - 11/01/11 02:21 AM Spinner vs bait
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12563
The age old argument.... which is better for estuary and tidewater mainstem trolling?

At Buoy 10 every time you pull up to the ramp, one guy will tell you "Jeez... we absolutely slayed 'em on spinners. Leave your bait at home."

The next guy insists, "Man it was a total bait bite... plug cut 14 pulls.... spinners were worthless"

At Tillamook Bay, the spinner is king. While at Willapa and Grays Harbor herring is by far the preferred presentation. What's a guy to do? Hey maybe these dudes can help....




DUH!

So for the past few years I've been combining the best of both worlds with very good results. Besides, with the spread I typically run, I gotta have something novel on the captain's trailing clean-up rod if I'm ever gonna get a bite. Within a couple trips, these babies were finding their way to every rod position in the boat.

So let me introduce you to a couple of my best friends this year.

Meet the Cyclops.


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#714610 - 11/01/11 02:22 AM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: eyeFISH]
eyeFISH Offline
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Here's the Dreamsicle...
(Thanks LMWS!)

Couple of local boys really gave this one a workout. All I can say is the Dreamsicle was HOT HOT HOT! Esp once the Brothers Barnes teamed up for some SERIOUS damage on my barge!


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09-18-11 Brandon Dreamsicle 2nd king headshot.jpg

09-18-11 Brandon Dreamsicle 1st king.jpg

09-18-11 Dreamsicle Ginger platinum hen.jpg

09-18-11 Banki Brandon Dreamsicle king.jpg


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#714611 - 11/01/11 02:22 AM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: eyeFISH]
eyeFISH Offline
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Meet Rachael Rae....
(thanks Achewter)

I put her in service on Sept 23, and she stayed right by my side til her dying day. From coho of the season to furbag of the season, and lots of big chrome kings in between, Rachael Rae delivered the goods for me like no other. Her look-alike cousin Tammy Fae has been an absolute slouch.... epitome of lazy wench!



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10-06-11 Ryan BIW FVE Rachael Rae 2nd king.jpg

10-06-11 Rachael Rae platinum hen.jpg


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#714612 - 11/01/11 02:24 AM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: eyeFISH]
eyeFISH Offline
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This green tipped Rainbow courtesy of Big Moby....



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#714613 - 11/01/11 02:24 AM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: eyeFISH]
eyeFISH Offline
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This blue-tipped Rainbow courtesy of BathTub Bob...

And the Chinese Measle courtesy of Achewter.


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#714614 - 11/01/11 02:28 AM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: eyeFISH]
snit Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 1700
Loc: Wenatchee, WA
I do a herring sliver wrap inside the skirt of the hootchie spinner...works on springers. As for fall fish...BIG herring generally work on my boat. But it is crazy what those fish will strike on...............
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#714615 - 11/01/11 02:34 AM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: snit]
Fishrhead Offline
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Registered: 09/17/11
Posts: 126
Loc: The Silver Mountain.
I think you got em on the spinner.
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#714616 - 11/01/11 02:48 AM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: eyeFISH]
Black Bart Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 04/28/10
Posts: 319
Loc: Adna
Ho'Boy..I've known Bathtub Bob since like forever...He really has this fishing thing going on night and day. It's just like a hot blooded fever for him.... I still wish I had it in me....It was truly my pleasure to drive a hundred miles each way and bring some of my over abundant spring kings and halibut catch I brought home from outside Ketchikan down to him for his son's wedding reception in like 1990.

Hell he was there laughing at me the day the damn rain washed out my new Stetson and thus coined the now infamos name...Black Bart...He taught me so much about fishing when I was a darn newbie so many years , that's one debt i'll never be able to repay.

Never will forget the day when his brother Jerry was anchored just below the Fuller Hill Launch, like 5 hours before daylight as usual, in what they used to call the boil. Twas just a tight little place to anchor up when the water below the mouth of the Satsop was dirty to fish. Bathtub Bob was a bit late for the morning launch and here he comes...Down from the other side of the river, A really high bank afair, cussing like hell, sliding down through the freakin' blackberry bushes on a very wet morning, holding his Kunan rod that I had just re-wraped, trying to reach the swollen banks and get in the boat his brother Jerry had anchored several hours before the tide brought the fish up on a cloudy river day. Geeze, good thing Dr. Stro was there to stitch him up. Talk about a guy who had just tried to harvest honey out of a hornets nest, Ho'Boy...Just too darn funny.

Damn...those are true mammories....

Cheers...Marv


Edited by Black Bart (11/01/11 08:10 AM)
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#714624 - 11/01/11 09:24 AM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: Black Bart]
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Originally Posted By: Black Bart

Damn...those are true mammories....

Cheers...Marv


hehehe.........made my day!!!!

Thanks for the early morning chuckle!!!!!

Chehalis time!!!!!!!!
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#714633 - 11/01/11 10:14 AM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: DrifterWA]
GreenRiver Offline
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I worked with a guy who had a scar on his chest like that. There was an identical one on his back.
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#714639 - 11/01/11 10:51 AM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: GreenRiver]
Mooch Offline
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Registered: 12/24/01
Posts: 1971
Loc: Low Hole
Hands down, more fish with a DuPont spinner than bait. wink
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#714648 - 11/01/11 11:40 AM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: Mooch]
Chum Man Offline
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Registered: 11/07/99
Posts: 2676
Loc: Rainier
i think i'm gonna have to give spinners a try out in the bay next year. most of my time fishing bait seems to be watching a lifeless rod tip for hours, just to realize my bait sucks and the bellies are blowing out.

i've done better on murky lower river tidewater fisheries over the years with spinners, so i can't see why they wouldn't work out in G.H. too, provided they're obnoxious enough.

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#714658 - 11/01/11 12:19 PM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: Chum Man]
Addicted Offline
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Registered: 11/06/05
Posts: 2596
Loc: Whidbey Island
Yeah, spinners suck, bait rules.

Over 30 fish in two days of fishin down there. 2 rods one day, 3 rods the next. All on spinners. Bait never even got put in the water. But, some other factors effect yer outcome too. And right lure at right time with a bit of luck on your side on certain days helps also.


Edited by Addicted (11/01/11 12:20 PM)
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#714660 - 11/01/11 12:23 PM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: Addicted]
Rocket Red Offline
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Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 2540
Loc: Elma
This has been my best spinner year in the last 10 or so on the Chehalis system. They are outproducing jigs and plugs about 6:1, a ratio that for the past 10 years has been 1:1.

No idea why, but the silvers this year are loving spinning metal.
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#714694 - 11/01/11 03:03 PM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: Fishrhead]
eyeFISH Offline
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Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12563
Originally Posted By: Fishrhead
I think you got em on the spinner.


Well.... sometimes.

I believe the hooking site speaks volumes. Here's what I think is probably going on.

When the fish takes the tow hook, the spinner was the ticket. When the fish takes the trailer, the bait was the ticket. Nice to have two simultaneous options when you encounter a potential biter.

The other theory I have is that whatever I'm trolliing, a biter is simply gonna attack it mid-profile. I do catch a lot more fish on the tow hook with the spinner bait/rigging. It might have something to do with the fact that the tow hook lives mid-profile.... right in the middle of the bite zone. Exceedingly few are caught on the tow hook when I rig hangback with nekkid bait. That's 'cause there is no hook mid-profile.... fish misses the tow hook altogether and gets "flossed" with the trailer.

At least that's what I think is going on.


Edited by eyeFISH (11/01/11 07:40 PM)
Edit Reason: more 'splainin'
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#714696 - 11/01/11 03:08 PM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: Chum Man]
eyeFISH Offline
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Originally Posted By: Chum Man
i think i'm gonna have to give spinners a try out in the bay next year. most of my time fishing bait seems to be watching a lifeless rod tip for hours, just to realize my bait sucks and the bellies are blowing out.


Crap bait is a real challenge if plug cut herring is the only tool in your box. Nothing worse than reeling up a belly that has flayed out.... well, except maybe when you reel up bare hooks.... GRRRRR!!!!

With the spinner bait rig, you can use whole herring or whole anchovies... just stick 'em thru the tip of the lower jaw and aim for the bone plate on the top of the head between the eyes. It'll produce a slow TIGHT spin behind the blade.
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#714836 - 11/01/11 08:47 PM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: eyeFISH]
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Registered: 08/28/08
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Loc: varies
Doc, I could not see chit after dreamcicle... is it me?
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#714845 - 11/01/11 09:10 PM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: big moby]
eyeFISH Offline
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Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12563
Just pre-posted the placeholders to keep 'em all together. Ran out of steam last night before midnight.

More pics coming tonight when I get home.... and yeah, your Rainbow blade with the extra deep scoop was money! Ran it so much that all of the brass eventually tarnished beyond recovery. Put a sticker of UV flash tape on the inside to spiff'er up and she was good to go.
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#714850 - 11/01/11 09:20 PM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: eyeFISH]
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Rico Suave

Registered: 11/06/05
Posts: 2596
Loc: Whidbey Island
I am mentaly challenged, therefore I am bait challenged, therefore spinners work for me. Put it out, let it go bling, pick up fish without being a expert on how to rig the bait......
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#714856 - 11/01/11 09:29 PM Re: Spinner vs bait [Re: Addicted]
eyeFISH Offline
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My only concern with the spinner bait rig is I really hate that whole hook-inside-the-mouth thing. Gotta work on fixing that.

Gonna have to try something other than a hook to tow my bait. Maybe give a simple safety pin a whirl to see if I can still make a herring or 'chovy spin by just clipping it into place. Can't imagine a steel safety pin would last very long in the salt without rusting away, but if the concept works, I could adapt a similar clip with formed spinner wire.
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