Yeah, I'd also be curious to know. I have an original A-Bort that was purchased in the late 80's, or very early 90's.

At what point did they (or were they always) become junk?

Sorry about the delay. Been on here but didn't look back at this. My Crap in my post was ment as OH CRAP...Not as in they are crap..But in my opinion they kinda are. Parker yours should be a good one.

In the new a bolts. The trigger mec, and bolt parts rust up fast. For the really anal in gun care..like me. One should probably be ok. I have seen a bunch of guys that are really good hands at all kinds of fixing stuff that are afraid to take their guns apart.
I have a smith buddy that sais the new rems and wins have really gone down hill. I had to send my last rem back due to a rought chamber. They put a new barrel on it, and had it back to me in two weeks. If I buy one it will be used. I really want a new kimber rifle bad. My gumsmith buddy just squirms when I bring it up..lol. I suppose its like everything else. Price goes up. Quality goes down.

I dont know about you guys, but now that bird hunting is closed, and the rivers are up. I'm going to Omak to try my hand at bobcats. Going to mix it up with some yote hunting. Going to throw the snow shoes in.

Stam your Montana is 1 in 10 twist correct? Have you been able to stabilize 162 AMAX?

Standard SAAMI 10-twist tubes shouldn't be a problem. Lotsa folks flingin' 'em with good results....

I happen to have a Stainless Model 70 Classic in 7MM WSM that I've been thinking of selling. Never been fired.

Tom

Really? Would you mind throwing up a few pictures and pm'ing me a price on that? Im still in the market and actually heading to the WAC show this weekend to kick a few tires on a 7mm and an AR15.

Thanks,

Drew

Watch out for the junk AR's especially at the gun shows.

Can you elaborate please? Anything in particular that I should pay attention to? I am new to the AR gun scene.

Thanks!

Drew

There are different ways of manufacturing the parts that go into the AR15. Some companies try to follow the pattern that Colt uses.
This is generally referred to as milspec.
Some companies follow patterns that might be easier to manufacture and may use lower quality materials.
This is generally referred to as commercial.

Here is a comparison of some of the currently available complete rifles :
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=82739

The other element are the bolt-on adornments, etc.
At a fun show you will typically see a good amount of Chinese made crap and/or airsoft crap. Some of the top US companies have had their stuff counterfeited, so that's always possible.

Unless I was fully versed in Black Rifle and values I wouldn't buy one at a fun show.