Yup..as they should be.

But one more law on the books woulda' prevented the whole thing. At least as far as the mindless minions are concerned.

No law would have prevented this, but is that really an argument against laws in general, or is it a statement about how some crimes just can not be prevented ...laws stop some, not all crimes. The way it is, like it or not.
The law can do only so much, but to assume that laws can do nothing is to give in to anarchy.
A fine line is hard to draw, especially so with a broad brush.

Most criminal laws prevent very little...and the same people who champion your gun rights are the same ones who are very un-interested in prevention and rehabilitation, but go big into retribution and incarceration.

Fish on...

Todd

True but in this case there are enough laws on the books to effectively prosecute those responsible. Another law does nothing to prevent or deter this type of thing in the future. Furthermore this incident, as tragic and sad as it is, is really an isolated case. At least as far as age and intent is concerned.

I'm not against laws per se and certainly don't advocate anarchy but creating more laws while ignoring the ones on the books is not a good response.

No law will ever stop a crime.

Period.

What are your ideas on prevention and rehabilitation?

But that is not an argumemt that anyone but a deadbeat dachshund gaymfisher with an iq of 8 would use against the rule of law.....

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So we should pass more laws that will have no affect on illegal gun use.

That's something only a person with an IQ of 160 would perpose.

Joe - go easy on the libturds, logic is not something they use frequently, let alone on a normal basis

The simple answer is that where the studies show that rehab creates citizens, and retribution creates rescidivism, we ought not worry too hard about retribution, and should focus more on rehabilitation.

That's if you want to prevent crime, that is. If you just want to send more and more to prison, then by all means just up the sentences.

Fish on...

Todd

And what is the definition of rehab? And after so called rehab.do you
put them on the welfare roles or find them jobs that are almost non existant?

Mavbe they could be sent to the moon and become miners.

The "incarcerate and punish" crowd will accomplish the same thing as the War on Terrah...create more of those who you are nominally trying to get rid of.

Fish on...

Todd

So you're fine with the adults possibly receiving punishment based upon the statute they are being charged under?

The adult criminal justice is not designed nor intended to rehabilitate, it's strictly designed to punish.

The juvenile justice system is designed to rehabilitate. Unfortunately a young girl is shot and the chances the young boy that did it, repeating it, is virtually zero. It was a terrible accident and highly unlikely he will repeat it.

Accidents happen and no matter how hard the school system tries to prevent accidents their 'prevention' failed. Perhaps the school should be penalized for not preventing this from happening.

Laws will not prevent accidents and won't EVER stop those inclined to lawlessness from doing stupid chit.

I know that you dumbed down your answer that I might possibly be able to understand at least part of it. For that I say thanks. Who's looking for retribution? And, what type of rehabilitation would help reduce gun violence?


If we're talking about minorities and crime, have you ever considered looking at the community leaders who continually blame everybody but the person who committed the crime? Or, is still just the rich white guys who are to blame? At some point, does personal accountability become an issue? I know it does for me. Or, should I just go ahead and be complete F'n a-hole and blame it on my great, great grandfather?




Rich white guys aren't the answer to every problem. If we're talking about minoriti

It's always about personal responsibility...and if it's a black guy named Jim, it's "Jim", not minorities...and if it's a white guy named "Ralph", it's fuckin Ralph, not white guys.

I don't know what crimes people commit that they can be rehabilitated from, or what kinds of people are easily rehabilitated...but there's no doubt that the studies have always shown that there are all kinds of recidivists who wouldn't have gone back to crime if they had been rehabilitated, and there are all kinds of petty criminals who are not petty criminals when they get out of prison, they are big time now.

Fish on...

Todd

True dat. Just because some conceptualize the world in their own mind by lumping people together in groups doesn't mean that these groups exist in reality. There is no such thing as a group, just individuals. That's why you got to respect each person's humanity by treating them like an individual person, not some faceless member of a group.

This is why racism, communism, socialism and all other -isms are failures because they don't consider people to be the individual people that they are.

Good deal.