+1

I think that most (if not all) of this is on the Army.
They give these guys clean bills of health whenever they possibly can to save the cost of proper care.

This guy is a 38 year old Sergeant and probably a damn good one.
The kind of guy that looked after his charges and saw to it that they got home in one piece.
Those in charge of re-deployments would give the red carpet to a combat-tested non-com requesting to go back.


That sounds like a bunch of crap meant for local Afghani consumption.
They need to look at the system that failed to look after this Sergeant.


A terrible thing happened that night, there's no doubt about that.
Terrible things happen in war.

Amen

No winners here.

There is concurrently an investigation going on at Madigan that concerns some psychs denying a PTSD rating to some vets in order to "save the government some money." If it turns out this Staff Sergeant was one such soldier denied the proper diagnosis, those shrinks will pay dearly.

The media, today, chronicled a list of war atrocities committed by JBLM soldiers since 2002. Evidently, I work on a "rogue post."


As for some here that are now calling for us to leave immediately or hope for the Afghanis to evict us, kind of makes that whole "cut-n-run," "appeaser," and "better to fight 'em there than here" argument a little trite, eh?

Different Pres, so its Ok, I mean you know the drill IOKIYAR.

They'll argue for that outcome, then immediately accuse the Prez of losing the war, cutting and running...the whole shebang...and won't sweat the hypocrisy for one second.

Fish on...

Todd

+2

Politicians would be alot more careful picking our fights if it was mandatory to re-instate the draft if we declared war. It seems many people think it's ok to send our soldiers on multiple deployments because after all, they did volunteer for it. The politicians might start thinking about their own children. Or, their potential constituents children.

I don't agree with the Death penalty in any case so, I'm fine with no State sanctioned death in this case. However, just as any criminal is ultimately responsible for their actions, so is this guy if he is convicted. We don't allow mitigating circumstances in the case for innocence or guilt in a Civilian court, those circumstances are only appropriate for the penalty phase. So it should be in this case. I'm so tired of people giving excuses for this heinous action. My God, there was a majority of women and children in this case. Excuses are like _________ , everyone's got one and they all stink!

Well Aunty, the Sun is rising in the West today - you have decided to make excuses for a murderer. Please remember that is a knife that cuts both ways.

Kinda reminds me of that alleged nut that shot Gifford and a 9 year
little girl and several others. Now he is a declared nut and will not
stand trial is the last I have heard on the issue.

However, the Sgt, being a vet, and the leader of men, admittedly
killed those women and kids. "I did it," are his alleged comment on
the matter. The classice question is WHY. What drives one to violate
all his military training and basic human taboos to do such a thing?

He should be treated no differently than any other...if he's judged competent to stand trial, then he does, and if he's found guilty, then he does his time, and if that includes getting gassed, then so be it.

If he's not competent to stand trial, then it's off to the loony bin.

If someone else fukked up and he never should have been sent back out there, then line 'em up...there's plenty of room on the docket for them next.

Fish on...

Todd

It's reasonable to think this way.
But I feel it is a bit different than the all-to-common shootings that happen in our society.

As Aunty said, we take these guys and teach them to kill. Then we send them to the outskirts of Hell and beyond.
Maybe his buddy's brain matter was blown into his face or some other horrendous experience caused him to snap.
Maybe it was a culmination of things.

With some of his history leaking out, it's starting to look like this Sergeant should not have been allowed to go back. Even if he checked out OK, 4 combat tours ?

It's a no-win and it's something that happens in all wars.
This is where we are sending our people when we go off to war.
The cost is high.

I agree...but the "schit happens in war zones" excuse doesn't hold any water with me...society in general fails people all the time, people don't become criminals because their life is awesome and they're happy, we just don't let them blame it on someone else when they get popped.

Fish on...

Todd

Yeah...after all having witnesses testify against the accused in the locality where the crime was alleged to have happened would be just wrong....And as an aside, info isnt leaking out, it is being leaked.....talk about sheeple, you two take the cake, and the bakery, flour mill...and the whole damn wheat field.... congrats ?

Didn't you know Ranty knows it all, just ask her.

I bet he's already been airlifted out of Afghanistan...

Fish on...

Todd

Nuthin' funny about this.
Asked...leaked...does it really matter ?

War sucks and it touches all of us while sucking.
Maybe we can agree on that.

Yup.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57397450/suspect-in-afghan-massacre-flown-out-of-country/

Maybe they'll send him to Egypt or Syria to be tortured...oh, wait, that's where we send "them" when they commit terrorist acts, not where we send "us" when we do the exact same thing.

Fish on...

Todd

Yeah, because nobody in country can translate....WTF ? ....nobody in the entire US Armed Services can speak or understand the language after 10 years there, and no Afghanis can speak English either. Nobody in the whole US Army can take a statement from a witness.... yeah right ....the flatbacking gasbag is on an ignorance roll today

We had a few ANA Officers that spoke good english.