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#748200 - 03/17/12 09:22 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: Sol Duc]
GBL Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 01/31/05
Posts: 1862
Loc: Yakutat
Moravec-
Yes, it is sad that I had to buy a lodge to get that type of Steelhead fishing every year. It is a passion, not a huge profit center as any lodge owner will tell you.
We have taken pride in keeping the prices down so it is within reach of most everyone. I welcome you to come up and experience something 99% of Steelheaders have never had. I am sure Mr. Vedder can give you a pretty good idea of what it is like and what that watershed can produce.
I wish our own agencies would spend a few months up there and see how it can be done.

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#748216 - 03/17/12 10:01 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: ]
Brewer Offline
2112

Registered: 01/11/07
Posts: 4898
Loc: in the mass production zone
the annual early spring B!TCH thread again i see.


as long as the state okays the wild season let it be. it's legal to do. quit the ranting. you know guys i'm on the game department's email list, they're always sending notices about input on upcoming regulations. instead of ranting here why not take the rant to the regulation makers.






















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#748221 - 03/17/12 10:16 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: ]
Angler 77 Offline
Fry

Registered: 07/17/07
Posts: 33
just give up steelheading. whistle [/quote]

I did a couple of years ago. Ya I miss is, but for me it was the right thing to do. [/quote]

Seriously? I could never do it. Call me selfish. I love fishing too much. It is essential for my spirit. Same thing with music. I do what I can to give back to the resource. Where do you draw the line? I am not gonna berate you for your decision not to fish. I just cant see doing it. The fish stocks will not magically recover just because I decide to quit fishing. My advice is to get involved,join an organization,and do habitat restoration,try and make a difference. [/quote]

I didn't say I gave up fishing, I've stopped steelheading. And I said nothing about what I am doing to make a difference. I agree getting involved is more effective than pissing and moaning on the internet.

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#748222 - 03/17/12 10:17 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: Brewer]
Magicfly Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 01/13/07
Posts: 3359
Loc: Pasco Bulldog country
No booze in the house Brewer? smile

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#748226 - 03/17/12 10:25 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: Magicfly]
Brewer Offline
2112

Registered: 01/11/07
Posts: 4898
Loc: in the mass production zone
Originally Posted By: Magicfly
No booze in the house Brewer? smile

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oh! there's plenty PAL!

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#748236 - 03/17/12 10:56 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: GBL]
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Registered: 03/27/08
Posts: 1028
Loc: Snoqualmie WA/Cordova AK
Originally Posted By: GBL
Moravec-
Yes, it is sad that I had to buy a lodge to get that type of Steelhead fishing every year. It is a passion, not a huge profit center as any lodge owner will tell you.
We have taken pride in keeping the prices down so it is within reach of most everyone. I welcome you to come up and experience something 99% of Steelheaders have never had. I am sure Mr. Vedder can give you a pretty good idea of what it is like and what that watershed can produce.
I wish our own agencies would spend a few months up there and see how it can be done.


...I didn't mean for that to sound like an attack...if it sounded as such I apologize...just wanted to say that for the average die-hard steelheader, "weekend-warrior" status means getting their fishing fix on local waters...which are in great peril. I am green with envy for those that spend a week up in No.BC or up at a paradise like GBL, but for me as with many that have engaged in this conversation, we fish the waters we love...which are those that are close to home.
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#748238 - 03/17/12 10:58 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: Moravec]
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Loc: Snoqualmie WA/Cordova AK
On another note...Brewer's pics make it hard to concentrate!
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#748240 - 03/17/12 10:58 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: Moravec]
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Well the one anyway wink
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#748377 - 03/18/12 03:13 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: ]
FASTWATER Offline
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Registered: 01/16/01
Posts: 611
Loc: Place's you only dream about
Here's a thought for you crackers how about total closure on certain watersheds period odd years or such and rotating a schedule like Bogy closed for 2 years then reopened no fishing period, then open it up and closing the solduc for a couple years , etc., Hoh, Clearwater just a thought to see what would happen!!!PEACE

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#748398 - 03/18/12 04:13 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: NickD90]
Pasco steelhdr Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 11/14/03
Posts: 101
Loc: Pasco, WA
Originally Posted By: NickD90
Listen - it's extremely stupid...but its the law. Until the law is changed, some guides will continue to kill nates to appease their clients. The client is always right (even when they are wrong). They spend big dollars to fish the OP and want "something to show for it". If it's still legal to kill a nate, they catch one and insist on keeping it...and the guide doesn't let them keep the fish, then its game over for the guide. No tip, no repeat booking.

I have had customers and employers ask me/tell me to do things that were legal but, I felt, unethical. Each time I have refused. It cost me good job at one time too. Walk the talk or the words are just BS.

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#748604 - 03/19/12 02:21 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: FASTWATER]
Brewer Offline
2112

Registered: 01/11/07
Posts: 4898
Loc: in the mass production zone
Originally Posted By: FASTWATER
Here's a thought for you crackers how about total closure on certain watersheds period odd years or such and rotating a schedule like Bogy closed for 2 years then reopened no fishing period, then open it up and closing the solduc for a couple years , etc., Hoh, Clearwater just a thought to see what would happen!!!PEACE


this plan would never F'n work!

makes to much sense.
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#748622 - 03/19/12 03:09 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: Brewer]
CedarR Offline
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Registered: 08/04/99
Posts: 1434
Loc: Olympia, WA
Originally Posted By: Brewer
Originally Posted By: FASTWATER
Here's a thought for you crackers how about total closure on certain watersheds period odd years or such and rotating a schedule like Bogy closed for 2 years then reopened no fishing period, then open it up and closing the solduc for a couple years , etc., Hoh, Clearwater just a thought to see what would happen!!!PEACE


this plan would never F'n work!

makes to much sense.


Hate to poop in your punch bowl, but Cedar River has been closed to steelheading since 1992; that's twenty years. In recent years it has only been open for a selective gear CnR trout fishery during the summer months. Check out this page to see how well that's been working...

http://www.seattle.gov/util/About_SPU/Wa...Trout/index.htm

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#748953 - 03/20/12 06:10 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: CedarR]
micropterus101 Offline
Spawner

Registered: 01/03/03
Posts: 802
Loc: Port Orchard
Alot of what i am reading here makes me want to puke still . "lets set the example" "clean our house first" " do our part"

LOL when yall gonna learn , after the last native steelhead and salmon are gone ? Feel good about releasing that big nate? Feel all soft and fuzzy? Thats great but you are not doing the resource any favors by ignoring the root causes of there demise just because theres nothing we can do about it attitude so well do this and feel good about it but your still pissin in the wind sheeple.
Ya i quit posting for along time and dont worry i dont plan on blowing more common sense up your butts its a waste of bandwidth.

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#748959 - 03/20/12 06:46 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: MikeH]
gooybob Offline
Spawner

Registered: 03/01/11
Posts: 981
Loc: Tacoma
Any guide that keeps a native is only cutting his nose off to spite his face! I don't give a sh!t about the reasons (excuses) that people give for retaining a wild steelhead. THERE IS NO GOOD REASON OR EXCUSE FOR KEEPING A NATIVE STEELHEAD! If I hear of guides keeping them I will make sure that they will be exposed on this site. If I decide to fly to Patagonia for steelhead, brown trout and rainbow should I tell my guide that I deserve to kill one since I came all that way? He would tell me to go get &%$$%##! The same applies all over the world. Why is it different here? There are fishing destinations in places where the people don’t even have a high school education yet they can see the advantages of catch and release and conservation of the resource. AGAIN, why is it different here?

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#748960 - 03/20/12 06:52 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: CedarR]
Sol Duc Offline
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Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
I've seen Kings in the 45-50 pound range in the Cedar as recent as 1983. I wonder how many Kings spawn there now?
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#748964 - 03/20/12 07:02 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: ]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27840
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
Soon, when a steelheader becomes President, we will invade Canada.....................or just install a puppet regime.



On that note, I'd like to announce my candidacy for the Office of the President of the United States of America. I will seek the Presidency on the "Steelheader Party" ballot, and since I am the only one in that party at the present, I declare myself the nominee.

I take PayPal.

Thank you.

Fish on...

Todd
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#748967 - 03/20/12 07:06 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: Todd]
Sol Duc Offline
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Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
You would have to resign as moderator first. smile
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#748970 - 03/20/12 07:09 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: ]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27840
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
You should run as a Republican, then nobody will notice that you're batsh1t crazy................could even be a plus for ya.


I'm in the Steelheader Party. We make Republicans look sane.

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Fish on...

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#748972 - 03/20/12 07:42 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: Sol Duc]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27840
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
You would have to resign as moderator first. smile


Resign? Hellno...it's gonna be my biggest fundraising effort.

Fish on...

Todd
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#748974 - 03/20/12 07:50 PM Re: Guides killing Nates?? WTH? [Re: ]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27840
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Whatever they want to do...so long as whomever they do it with has a fully formed adipose fin wink

Fish on...

Todd
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