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#749483 - 03/22/12 04:47 PM See you at Mill Creek Saturday???
TJN Offline
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Loc: Lk Stevens, Wa
Here's hoping you have an hour to spare this Saturday on behalf of your salmon fishing opportunities!


WHEN: March 24, 10 a.m.-noon

WHERE: WDFW Mill Creek Office, 16018 Mill Creek Blvd., Mill Creek, WA

WHAT: Puget Sound Recreational Fisheries Discussion:

WHY:Public discussion of management objectives and preliminary options for Puget Sound marine and freshwater sport fisheries.

There is a lot at stake for us at this meeting!
Baker Lake Sockeye, Area 9 summer chinook opening date and much more.

I hope to see a full meeting room this Saturday!
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#749489 - 03/22/12 05:10 PM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: TJN]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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Good on you for going TJ, I will be there if I can.


Fishy
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#749506 - 03/22/12 06:22 PM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
MikeH Offline
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Registered: 01/15/12
Posts: 510
Loc: Washington
Can't make it. Gotta work.
Very interested in the baker lake sockeye opening date tho. Keep me posted please. smile

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#749531 - 03/22/12 08:42 PM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: MikeH]
Jerry Garcia Offline

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I can make it.
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#749602 - 03/23/12 11:25 AM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: Jerry Garcia]
ondarvr Offline
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Loc: Monroe WA
Had a fishing trip planned for Sat, but I may cancel it and go to the meeting.

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#749606 - 03/23/12 11:35 AM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: ondarvr]
Rotten Chum Offline
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Originally Posted By: ondarvr
Had a fishing trip planned for Sat, but I may cancel it and go to the meeting.


Ouch!!!
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#749614 - 03/23/12 12:04 PM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: ondarvr]
Jerry Garcia Offline

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Originally Posted By: ondarvr
Had a fishing trip planned for Sat, but I may cancel it and go to the meeting.


They(WDFW) usually meet with the commercial fisherman on the same day as they meet with the sportees.
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#749646 - 03/23/12 03:34 PM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: Jerry Garcia]
bushbear Offline
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Loc: Sequim
Some PSA concerns/questions for the NOF meeting at Mill Creek tomorrow.

Questions to be asked of DFW folks running the meeting (likely Pattillo):

1. What is the department’s expectation for the 2012 sport sockeye fishery on Baker Lake? Can we expect to harvest as much or more than the 8,600 taken by sports last year at Baker Lake?
2. What steps is DFW taking to reduce the harvest imbalance whereby the sports only got about 35% of the sockeye harvest last year?
3. Will sports be able to begin fishing earlier than July 23 – opening in 2011? What might be the earliest opening? How many sockeye have to be captured at the Concrete trap for a fishery to be announced?
4. What is the stated tribal fishing intent for 2012? Is this level of effort more or less than in 2011?
5. Will there be any means of assessing the strength of the 2012 run before significant fishing occurs by the tribes or sports anglers?



Main points to be made Saturday:

1. Baker Lake sockeye fishing has exploded as it has become arguably the most popular salmon fishery in Puget Sound. This likely will spur fishing license sales as did the Lake Washington sockeye fisheries, if it is not degraded by unwise management actions.
2. Sports anglers want to be able to catch our share of the harvestable number of sockeye. More sockeye into Baker Lake sooner, allowing an earlier opener, along with perhaps a four fish bag limit, could result in a significantly higher percentage of the sockeye placed into the lake being harvested.
3. There needs to be fairness and balance in setting the regulations for the 2012 sockeye fishery. That was not the case in 2011.
4. A good compromise would be limiting tribal gill netting in the lower Skagit below the mouth of the Baker River Concrete to no more than four days per week. This would still allow the Swinomish tribe to catch its share of the sockeye by gill nets. If they fell a little short they could top out by taking sockeye from the Concrete trap as did the Upper Skagit tribe last year. More sockeye to the Concrete trap sooner would allow an earlier Baker Lake fishery. Also, the significant tribal by-catch of ESA listed Chinook and perhaps steelhead that occurred last year would be avoided or at least reduced. A sports fishery would be possible on the three day weekends for the lower Skagit that avoids gear conflicts.
5. Everyone needs to cooperate to achieve results that are equally beneficial to the tribes and sports.

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#749674 - 03/23/12 06:41 PM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: Rotten Chum]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rotten Chum
Originally Posted By: ondarvr
Had a fishing trip planned for Sat, but I may cancel it and go to the meeting.


Ouch!!!


This is where you should be also John, they are proposing a cut in plants of kokanee to one of you favorite lakes!!!!!!!!!!


Just a heads up.

Fishy
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#749693 - 03/23/12 07:40 PM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
Saundu Offline
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Posts: 551
I got a kids game..but would someone please mention that the Skagit River Catch and Release Fishery exist further . Dam...Jan 31st is too frkn early.
I drive by my river every day and just stare and remember how good Feb & March used to be. Also, how bout the Sauk in April ....and how bout a Sockeye fishery on the lower Skagit this summer. Thx just my ten bucks.

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#749696 - 03/23/12 07:44 PM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: Saundu]
TJN Offline
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Loc: Lk Stevens, Wa
Originally Posted By: Saundu
I got a kids game..but would someone please mention that the Skagit River Catch and Release Fishery exist further . Dam...Jan 31st is too frkn early.
I drive by my river every day and just stare and remember how good Feb & March used to be. Also, how bout the Sauk in April ....and how bout a Sockeye fishery on the lower Skagit this summer. Thx just my ten bucks.


I hear you.

If we don't get this opportunity for sockeye in the Skagit, given the low forecast for coho, we're looking at a very tough summer.

I'll be there and I'm hoping that there will be very few empty seats!

I'll report back tomorrow!
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#749711 - 03/23/12 09:10 PM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: TJN]
ondarvr Offline
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Loc: Monroe WA
I’m going to the meeting.

If nobody asks the questions about Baker Lake I will, I spent a great deal of time up there last summer and had a great time.

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#749778 - 03/24/12 05:35 PM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: ondarvr]
Smalma Offline
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Registered: 11/25/01
Posts: 2233
Loc: Marysville
A more producitive morning that I had thought.

I count approximately 60 folks from the public at the meeting. I thought there were some good discussions and most folks got the chance to express their views on a pretty wide range of fisheries though the Baker Lake sockeye opportunities clearly dominate much of the interest/discusxion. A ncie foundation laid for the next NOF meeting on the 28th at Lynnwood.

The folks from the State seemed to be pleased with the turn out and it was nice to see some new faces for some of these discussions!

Tight lines
Curt

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#749779 - 03/24/12 06:05 PM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: Smalma]
steeliedrew Offline
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Loc: Ballard
I'll have to try and make it to the next one.
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#749791 - 03/24/12 08:03 PM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: steeliedrew]
Sebastes Offline
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Registered: 10/31/02
Posts: 1149
Loc: Monroe,WA.
I felt it was a good meeting, not like one I went to a few years ago where the WDFW
staffers said, this is the way it is, you can't comment. I came away from this meeting feeling that the WDFW staff were really interested in our concerns.

There were several PP'ers there, I wish I'd have had the opportunity to say hello to all.
Especially Curt whom I have the highest respect for for his wisdom on fisheries issues.

Thanks Nelly for posting the notice, several of us wouldn't have been there, just because we would not have known about it.

I am going to make an effort to help the WDFW folks how to better communicate with us.

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#749798 - 03/24/12 08:55 PM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: Sebastes]
bushbear Offline
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Posts: 3874
Loc: Sequim
I hope some of you can make the meeting at the Embassy Suites Hotel in Lynnwood on Wednesday.

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#749827 - 03/25/12 08:26 AM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: bushbear]
Jerry Garcia Offline

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Good to see a big turnout, lots of intelligent things brought up. So often these meetings can devolve into a non productive bitch fest. Not good for the sportees.
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#749837 - 03/25/12 09:35 AM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: bushbear]
ondarvr Offline
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Registered: 09/07/05
Posts: 883
Loc: Monroe WA
Originally Posted By: bushbear
Some PSA concerns/questions for the NOF meeting at Mill Creek tomorrow.

Questions to be asked of DFW folks running the meeting (likely Pattillo):

1. What is the department’s expectation for the 2012 sport sockeye fishery on Baker Lake? Can we expect to harvest as much or more than the 8,600 taken by sports last year at Baker Lake?

A) They expect about the same number of fish to return and they are looking at ways for the sportsman to land more fish than last year.

2. What steps is DFW taking to reduce the harvest imbalance whereby the sports only got about 35% of the sockeye harvest last year?

A) In this fishery they ensure we have our chance to catch 50%, not that we will catch them. Efforts are being made to increase the numbers landed by sportsman.

3. Will sports be able to begin fishing earlier than July 23 – opening in 2011? What might be the earliest opening? How many sockeye have to be captured at the Concrete trap for a fishery to be announced?

A) They may open the lake earlier, maybe the 1st, but there won't be many fish in the lake at that time.

4. What is the stated tribal fishing intent for 2012? Is this level of effort more or less than in 2011?

A) Still negotiating this with the tribes, the tribes want more early netting in the salt so they will need fewer fish from the trap at the dam. Last years netting was based on predictions of a smaller return, so the netting effort was less, as the run progressed and more fish returned they needed to make up the their share from the traps.

5. Will there be any means of assessing the strength of the 2012 run before significant fishing occurs by the tribes or sports anglers?

A) not really, but WDFW is looking at ways to not over harvest the run early if the return doesn't materialize as expected.


They knew the Baker Lake discussion was going to a big part of this meeting so they waited to the end and devoted a great deal of time to it and answered every questioned asked (some questions had no answer, but they gave us the current status of the discussions with the tribe).

Their plan is to have 14 miles of the Skagit open to Sockeye fishing to get more harvest oportunities for the sportsman.

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#749841 - 03/25/12 09:46 AM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: ondarvr]
ondarvr Offline
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It was nice to see everyone there and it appeared everyone’s comments, suggestions and questions were listened too and given a good degree of respect and consideration.

I bailed on a seat in a boat to go to the meeting, the boat landed one Springer and several Steelhead, all in nice sunny weather, I think I made the correct choice though.

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#749844 - 03/25/12 09:54 AM Re: See you at Mill Creek Saturday??? [Re: ondarvr]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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Thanks to all those that made it and for representing all of us that fish here in the region.


Fishy
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