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#750023 - 03/26/12 04:35 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Sol Duc]
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Regardless bringing a gun into a fist fight is pretty chicken chit in my opinion.
Perhaps he should have been carrying some pepper spray or a whistle since he blew it anyway??

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#750024 - 03/26/12 04:45 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: 2MANY]
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Were was the outrage on this killing from the media? evil

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#750025 - 03/26/12 04:56 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Sol Duc]
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Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Were was the outrage on this killing from the media? evil



I don't know Duc as I know nothing of the crime that your C&P describes. I will go out on a limb and guess that there wasn't a signifigant amount of evidence against the killers combined with the police not arresting them. The ferver in the FLA. case is over the fact that the shooter was not arrested.

Are you really that stupid?

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#750028 - 03/26/12 05:11 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: salmosalar]
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#750031 - 03/26/12 05:25 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: salmosalar]
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You're just a little pussy libturd that wets his bed and sucks his thumb. rofl
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#750032 - 03/26/12 05:28 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Dave Vedder]
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If I had a Son, I wouldn't want him to act like Trayvon. moose

There's more....


The Miami Herald

6:12 p.m. EDT, March 26, 2012
SANFORD — Miami Gardens teenager Trayvon Martin was suspended from school in October in an incident in which he was found in possession of women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that a schools security staffer described as a “burglary tool,” The Miami Herald has learned.
Trayvon, who claimed that an unnamed friend had given him the jewelry, was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald.

A lawyer for the dead teen’s family acknowledged Trayvon had been suspended for graffiti, but said the family knew nothing about the jewelry and the screwdriver, calling the information in the report an attempt to “demonize” the youth.
According to the report, on Oct. 21 staffers monitoring a security camera at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School spotted Trayvon and two other students writing “W.T.F.,” an acronym for “What the f---,” on a hallway locker, according to schools police. The security employee, who knew Trayvon, confronted the teen and looked through his bag for the graffiti marker.
Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool.
Trayvon was asked if the jewelry, which was mostly women’s rings and earrings, belonged to his family or a girlfriend.
“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.
School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation.
“Martin was suspended, warned and dismissed for the graffiti,” according to the report prepared by Miami-Dade Schools Police.
That suspension was followed four months later by another one, in February, in which Trayvon was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it, the boy’s family’s attorney has confirmed. A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.”
The suspension was the third for the teen. On Monday, the family also acknowledged Trayvon had earlier been suspended for tardiness and truancy.
The reports of the suspensions surfaced as a more complicated portrait of Trayvon began to emerge Monday. Trayvon was shot to death in Sanford on Feb. 26 during a scuffle with neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman. He was suspended from school at the time.
Reacting to the new schools police report, Ben Crump, an attorney for the parents, said they “never heard anything like this about a bag of jewelry….And anyway, it’s completely irrelevant to what happened Feb. 26. They never heard this, and don’t believe it’s true. If it were true, why wouldn’t they call the parents? Why wasn’t he arrested?”
“We think everybody is trying to demonize him.”
Trayvon, who was 17 when he died, had never been arrested, he said.
His mother, Sybrina Fulton, said her son never had any problems with gangs or the police. In fact, she said, when she transferred him out of Carol City High School to be closer to home, the school wanted him to stay at Carol City because they liked him and he was a good student, she said.
“They killed my son and now they are trying to kill his reputation,” she said.
Another lawyer for the family said she didn’t put much credence in the report about the jewelry and the screwdriver.
“This is someone in a school writing a report, rumor as far as I’m concerned,” said attorney Natalie Jackson.
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#750039 - 03/26/12 06:06 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Sol Duc]
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'Trayvon Martin punched me in the face and tried to grab my gun'


A minute passes and police don't know what happens.

Then, according to Zimmerman, Trayvon approached him from behind and they 'exchanged words.'

Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said, 'no.'

Then, according to Zimmerman, Trayvon said, 'Well now you do,' and unexpectedly punched Zimmerman in the face, knocking him to the ground.

Trayvon, 6-foot-3 and 140 pounds, then reportedly climbed on top of the 250-pound Zimmerman and bashed his head into the sidewalk several times.

A witness, who did not see the shooting, said he saw a younger man on top of an older man and the older man was screaming for help.

Police say the cries that witnesses reported, which Trayvon's family say were coming from the teen, are actually likely from Zimmerman.

Zimmerman, who had a permit to carry a handgun, shot Trayvon once in the chest at very close range, killing him.

According to police reports and accounts given by Zimmerman's lawyer, Craig Sooner, the 28-year-old's nose was bloody or broken, his lip was bleeding and he had a bloody gash on the back of his head.
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#750054 - 03/26/12 06:46 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Hankster]
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The link Hank posted gives a pretty good run down of the information that has been made public. What Hank C&P'd? well it's a portion of the info.

I'm guessing the dude isn't charged. I don't know if he should be or not. There is a lot of info. we just don't know.

What I do know is those people who make their decisions based on race like Sharpton, Jackson and Sol Duc will go on their beliefs not the evidence. Those of us with a shred of humility and empathy will understand that we will never really know.

It appears as though a man followed a kid 'cuz he didn't like what the kid looked like. Eventually the kid and the man had a confrontation. The kid died. The whole thing was needless. Who started it depends on your perspective and your individual bias.

We'll have idiots claiming it's because of the "liberal media" who has reported everything about the case as it's been made public. We'll have people blaming the President whos statement was pretty tame, thoughtful and controlled. We'll have others screaming at the police who may very well be in the right according to Fla. law. We'll have people demonizing the victim although they don't know him.

Anyone doing any of these thing is probably an overly emotional moron. The fact is we don't know very much right now. We probably never will.

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#750059 - 03/26/12 07:05 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Hankster]
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When a 140 pound kid attacks a 250 pound older man (and isn't high on meth), it could be because the kid feared this guy who has been following him and is carrying a gun.

Comes now all the stories about Martin being expelled from school, having an empty baggie in his backpack that tests positive for trace MJ are all irrelevant in a court of law, but plays well in the court of public opinion. Assuming Martin was the scumbag Zimmerman's supporters are trying to make him out as, Zimmerman had no excuse to shoot Martin. Even Martin attacking Zimmerman doesn't excuse Zimmerman given that an armed Zimmerman was acting suspicious by following Martin around keeping tabs on him.

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#750068 - 03/26/12 07:27 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Salmo g.]
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The first thing that should happen is arresting and charging the Black Pathers who put up the bounty.

As far as what went down between the kid and the neighborhood watchman.....who knows?

I will say that I personally have never known anyone who was high on pot get into a fight.

Beyond that, there is WAY too much reaction goin down.....very disproportionate, IMO.
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#750082 - 03/26/12 08:10 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Slab Happy]
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Originally Posted By: Slab Happy
The first thing that should happen is arresting and charging the Black Pathers who put up the bounty.


Not if Holder has any say in the matter.
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#750086 - 03/26/12 08:23 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Hankster]
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from what I saw of the panthers, they chose their words carefully. I didn't see anything criminal.

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#750087 - 03/26/12 08:26 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: salmosalar]
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Originally Posted By: salmosalar
from what I saw of the panthers, they chose their words carefully. I didn't see anything criminal.

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Then you need to pull your head out of your arse.
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#750090 - 03/26/12 08:33 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Sol Duc]
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Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Originally Posted By: salmosalar
from what I saw of the panthers, they chose their words carefully. I didn't see anything criminal.

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Then you need to pull your head out of your arse.


Seems you're jumping on one guy for being a vigilante and excusing a group for doing something similar. You don't think offering a mil for someone's capture is unlawful?

The only thing they left out was dead or alive.
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#750091 - 03/26/12 08:33 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Sol Duc]
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You posted the clip that I saw. He talks about forcing the government to do their job and a million dollare to go to the capture of the man. I didn't hear a bounty in the clip you posted. Did you?

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#750095 - 03/26/12 08:38 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: salmosalar]
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#750096 - 03/26/12 08:40 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Sol Duc]
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That's better evidence.

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#750099 - 03/26/12 08:46 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: salmosalar]
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I can certainly understand the rage that the panthers are feeling. It also sounds like errors were made by both Zimmerman and Trayvon. Events were set in motion and the force continuum was ratcheted upwards.

Sad waste of life, and the media is busy playing to everyone's emotions on all sides. I feel the media isn't so much concerned in reporting the news, rather they are more concerned in sensationalizing events.
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#750100 - 03/26/12 08:46 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: salmosalar]
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Why can't the hispanics just get along with the blacks?
Or visa versa?

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#750115 - 03/26/12 09:37 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: 2MANY]
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Perhaps this applys.

Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
I don't know. I doubt racism is the topical cause. Blacks are probably suspended disproportionately because they misbehave disproportionately. Getting at the root cause could likely uncover racism, and probably already has, as one of the main reasons blacks are at a disadvantage in American society, on average. If that's the case, then it's probable that a black student would be more likely than a white student to show up at school, under-rested, under-nourished, under-dressed, un-loved, and otherwise unprepared to learn. Hence, they misbehave and are more likely to be suspended.

I've had a lot of friends and relatives in education, and I was initially surprised to learn how prevalent social dysfunction is, cutting across racial and economic classes. However, as expected, blacks and hispanics are hit disproportionately harder.

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