I know that Zimmerman was following Martin, what constitutes chasing?

You are droll Todd. Maybe that's what Trayvon tried.

Bad judgement. Bullets have no fear.

That's an aspect of the case I haven't heard. Is there any evidence Zimmerman chased Martin down and pulled his gun before he was getting his head bashed?

There's no evidence at all about when he got his head bashed, if he got his head bashed, or when he shot Trayvon...

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Todd

According to Tampa Bay Fox affiliate WTVT-TV, what the witness says he saw could bolster Zimmerman’s claim that he shot Martin in self-defense:

“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as “John,” and did not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman’s claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said

On Friday night, Zimmerman attorney Craig Sonner appeared on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360” and said he client sustained a broken nose and a head laceration on the night of the incident.

“His nose was broken, he sustained injury to his nose and on the back of his head he sustained a cut that was serious enough that probably should have had stitches…it was an injury that was done by Trayvon Martin,” Sonner said.

"but if some shitferbrains accosted one of my kids who was walking down the street with Skittles"

Todd has multiple kids??

Hank, that's a photo, that may or not be Zimmerman, that may or may not have been taken at the time, of injuries that may or may not have been caused by Trayvon..."evidence" is what will be admitted and/or proven at trial.

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Todd

Would the police report be admissible evidence?

"While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of his head."

http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf

That's different than the photo, which may not even be Zimmerman.

And...none of what you just listed has a whole helluva lot to do with justifiable homicide.

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Todd

If Zimmerman didn't exist he couldn't have pulled the trigger. Viola!
He exists. There is some straw clutching going on to support an opinion
that 'the poor kid and his skittles were victimized by Zimmerman.'
Guess we will have to wait and see.
I wonder where they will find a jury of Zimmerman's peers.

Todd, you're fishin'. You would have to think ABC would be a lot more cautious about releasing something they hadn't vetted; especially since they got caught editing the 9-1-1 tape. Watch the vid.

http://gma.yahoo.com/warning-graphic-pho...topstories.html


Was it justifiable homicide? That depends on how the judge rules on whether the Stand Your Ground law applies in the case. That law says killing someone is justifiable if you think your life is in danger.

You have to reasonably think your life is in danger...which means that a reasonable person would conclude that your life is in danger...you don't get to decide that for yourself based on whatever standard you like.

You seem to be very skeptical about anything and everything that involves chasing Trayvon down and confronting him for no reason whatsoever, even when the 9-1-1 call confirms that it happened exactly that way, and also seem to accept wholeheartedly that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, was bashing his head into the ground, and that Zimmerman had to shoot him to save his own life, for which conclusion there is very little evidence at all save for Zimmerman's own story.

That brings me back to the very beginning of this argument, which is that folks are willing to make their minds up based on political beliefs rather than anything at all like facts or evidence.

The evidence will be presented to a jury, will be distilled down into relevant facts, and the law will be applied to them...then we will know what happened as well as possible.

Until then saying that Zimmerman was in fear for his life or was having his head bashed in is as reasonable or logical as saying spacemans did it.

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Todd

Political beliefs aren't even on my radar screen, but it's not surprising you would try to make that an issue. In the absence of any motive for shooting Martin, other than the one given by Zimmerman, that's all I have to base my opinion. The evidence suggests he was physically assaulted by Martin and was acting to save his life. Period.

There is zero evidence that his life was in danger at all.

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Todd

That's totally subjective on your part. You presume Zimmerman had no reason to fear for his life, even though Martin had broken his nose, was sitting on him and was banging his head on the ground.

What would it take for you to think your life was in danger?

Yeah, but it's totally objective on your part...and there's no evidence that he was sitting on him or bashing his head on the ground, either.

I've bled more from a shaving cut, and I didn't pull out my piece and shoot my razor...and getting your [Bleeeeep!] beat, even if that's what happened, doesn't mean your life was in danger...that's for when you are about to be killed, not beat up by a kid.

If it was justifiable homicide to shoot someone who is beating your [Bleeeeep!] because you deserve it (or even if you don't), then there would be a few million more dead people every year with no repercussions.

Again, that's why pussies shouldn't be allowed to own guns, because pussies think they can use a gun to get out of a situation that they are in because they are pussies, and that they are magically transformed into tough guys because they have a gun.

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Todd

No evidence other than the witness stating Martin was on top of Zimmerman. No evidence other than the police report of bleeding from the back of Zimmerman's head and nose. Other than that, no evidence whatsoever.

Some pretty thin lines there. If someone is kicking my [Bleeeeep!] in a fight I didn't start, a reasonable person should treat that as a threat to their life. I think you would be an idiot not to. Interpretation of the law says application of deadly force is reasonable in that context.

Now if the person doing the [Bleeeeep!] kicking is acting in self defense, that changes the facts. Change the facts, change the answer. Todd's point, which is good one, is that the facts of the case are not yet known.

I agree with you in most every other instance Todd. The conclusions that some, even most draw based on speculation, conjecture, and even whim are pretty ridiculous.

You can see why these dolts vote the way they do. Completely out of touch with society and reality.

Explain why it isn't Trayvon who had the right to "stand his ground"?

Did you ever stop to think Martin was standing his ground while he was beating up Zimmerman?

Probably not; your thinking has been out of sorts ever since your nasty accident with that Home Vasectomy Kit.