Good luck fishing Ranty moo.
btw
Don't let any facts in this issue cloud your preconceptions.

Too bad Trayvon, instead of having Skittles, didn't have a cannon of his own...then when Zimmerman chased him down and accosted him, Trayvon could have shot him dead and availed himself of the Stand your Ground law.

Funny how killing someone makes you innocent, but being armed with Skittles and being dead makes it your fault.

This is the world that right wing gun nuts would have you live in.

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Todd

If Trayvon had been chased down and shot the guy chasing him I would be standing just where I am in stating he had that right. Good for him if he had someone with a gun chasing him down and he felt his life was in danger. Now the same goes the other way. If getting ones head beat into the ground caused Zimmerlooser to think he had to defend himself then so be it as well.

Race, color or creed has nothing to do with it. No matter how much you wish it was about racism and would like to make it so. Only racism in this is those who feel the need to make it a race issue. Trying to tie anyone who states people have the right to protect themselves with racists.

The truely racial component is the fact that a black man could have chased down a half hispanic/half white kid and shot him in the exact manner when the kid was pounding his head into the ground and it would have never made it out of the local paper. If you heard about it you would have thought nothing of it and likely stated he had the right to do so. My oppinion would be the same but since it was the other way around it is national news and we are on our way to riots in the streets. I guess we are still not post-racial in this country.

There's no mention of race whatsoever in my last post...just the observation that you can get off scot free for shooting someone, but it's your fault if you are accosted by some zealot with a gun while walking down the street eating Skittles.

If eating candy, wearing a hoody, getting in trouble at school, or petty theft were grounds for being killed, most everyone posting on this thread would be dead already.

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Todd

You don't have to be terribly bright to figure out the media made
this tragedy a race issue. Nothing like creating your own news
scoops. Great journalism.
If the scenario had been reversed it wouldn't have even made the
late late news. sad but true.
Black mugs white or several blacks rape, set on fire, and kill a
couple of whites and it's not news, just natural occurences.

The funny thing is that the only time you hear crap like this (except here on PP thanks to Illy or Hank) is when you watch FauxNews...even while the "MSM" they are decrying is reporting the same stories.

The reason why FauxNews watchers actually believe that FauxNews is the only outlet that "reports" on stuff, and that the MSM ignores all these important stuff, is that those FauxNews watchers never watch anything else.

"You won't see this on the MSM!"...except, of course, if you actually watch any other outlet, where you will see the same stories.

What FauxNews and their sycophants don't want you to know is that they are just as much part of the mainstream media as any other media outlet...they're about as "rogue" as Sarah Palin, and as much of a "maverick" as John McCain...which is to say, not at all.

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Todd

"You won't see this on the MSM!"...except, of course, if you actually watch any other outlet, where you will see the same stories.


Try watching Politics Nation with Al Sharpton.

Don't watch "Faux" much, but I don't recall hearing anything about them editing 9-1-1 calls to try to make this a race issue.

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy -- is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

When the clip aired on the national show, though, Zimmerman's audio went like this:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black.


The guy that edited that piece was suspended pending investigation and has now been fired.

Which, not surprisingly, has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what I was talking about...but, Hank, please don't tell me that you are going to argue in favor of the veracity of what you hear on FauxNews!

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Todd

Well, it does have something whatsoever to do with what you were talking about when you were replying to "You don't have to be terribly bright to figure out the media made this tragedy a race issue".

As to the veracity of FauxNews, that can't be judged on programs where the entire content is opinion. I don't watch Hannity and the other programs I watch are Bill, Greta and Chris Wallace...all opinion shows based on the news.

The only actual news I watch on Fox is Bret Baier. I've never heard anything about that show being lacking in "veracity".

A judge in Florida ruled that the Stand your Ground law didn't apply in a case where a woman being choked by her husband escaped him, got a gun, and fired a warning shot into the ceiling as he was coming towards her...she didn't even shoot it at him, and got popped for assault...

Judge said "stand your ground" didn't apply, and she got 20 years for assault with a deadly weapon.

If it doesn't apply in that case, when can it ever apply? Hell, she didn't even shoot him.

Did she have to kill him to get protection from the law?

If so, then that backs up my claim above that it would be better to kill someone than to be guilty of walking around with Skittles, since the kid walking around with Skittles is dead, and if the law applies the guy who shot him will walk.

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Todd

The judge in that case ruled she could have escaped and the law didn't apply, even if the law specifically states there is no duty to escape.

It's interesting that the prosecutor for the Zimmerman case (Corey) was involved and was pressing for the minimum mandatory, where provisions allow for prosecution to waive those stipulations. Also interesting is the husband of that woman is arguing in favor of his wife based on the Stand Your Ground law.

It's also interesting that Zimmerman wouldn't have had to "stand his ground" if he had just stood his ground, instead of chasing Trayvon down.

Zimmerman was already "escaped"...he purposely went and put himself in danger, then claims it wasn't his fault thru the Stand Your Ground law.

That is where this law and its application get more and more stupid.

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Todd

Todd one of the groups at Westlake Mall this afternoon is there supporting Trayvon..not sure if they are packing heat but you should beat feet down there to hold up a sign...lots of other ranting going on in between breaking windows and such...Bring your I hate Fox sandwich board...here's a look at your far left comrades>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/47252873#47252873

It's even on your favorite channel...the most objective news authority...I think I saw Todd on this video with a sledge hammer???

grizzwald, you have managed to make 403 posts contributing exactly "zero" to the board, except to make me look even smarter than I am by saving your posts to always talk about mine, and sounding like a total dipshit every time you do.

Nice job.

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Todd

Isn't it great!!! you are so full of yourself I can't stand it....LOL!!! What's with the "contribute to this board" crap?" Contribute to what? A bunch of people arguing nonsense? You thinking you are smart and objective and everyone else is stupid and biased...hahahaha..you crack me up!!!

And more...just can't help yourself, can you.

I don't need to be full of myself...virtually every post you make has my name in it, followed by a moronic statement...you're like my cyber-stalker, only creepier.



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Todd

I'd far rather consume news from a source where individuals get dismissed when they deceive viewers/readers, than consume news from a source where that sort of internal check/balance doesn't exist.

You're right Todd..this board is not a vehicle for serious discussion normally but a place to spew crap back and forth...I know you are generally a smart guy with good intentions. I also know the internet chat sites are a convenient distraction from serious things like work and shouldn't be taken too seriously......so keep on arguing your agenda and I will laugh to myself more and make fun of you here less. OK?

No need to ask me if it's "ok"...you can do what you like...and if that counts as "making fun", you aren't too good at it

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Todd