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#760277 - 05/16/12 09:05 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Hankster]
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Not good for the prosecution.



What Zimmerman, Martin medical reports tell us and the media didn't

By John Lott

Published May 16, 2012

| FoxNews.com


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The new medical reports on the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case tell us a lot. And it is not just for what they find, but also what they don’t find.

First, the reports provide striking evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight with Martin, and that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense. Martin’s injuries were two-fold: broken skin on his knuckles and the fatal gunshot wound.

Zimmerman’s injuries involved: a fractured nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury.

It takes considerable force to break the skin on multiple knuckles. The large range of injuries on Zimmerman indicates that the Martin’s attack was prolonged. But here is what is missing: where are the injuries to Zimmerman’s hands? Where are the bruises on Martin’s face or other parts of his body? The evidence paints a picture where Martin was the only person landing blows.

The broken skin on Martin’s knuckles and Zimmerman’s wounds obviously provide some justification for self-defense. But if Zimmerman is to have justifiably used self-defense, he can’t have provoked Martin’s attack.

The affidavit filed by the prosecutor against Zimmerman was extremely weak and had many glaring omissions. It does not answer the most crucial question: Who attacked whom? All it states is: “Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued.” “Confronted” does not mean “provoked” or “assaulted.” It may mean that Zimmerman merely followed Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood.

Surely Zimmerman had the right to investigate a strange person in his neighborhood. But, in any case, Zimmerman simply asking Martin why he was in the neighborhood doesn’t give Martin the right to start striking him or pounding his head into the concrete sidewalk.

Simple words do not justify hitting someone.

Anyway, it appears that Zimmerman didn’t even question Martin. The 911 tape of Zimmerman reporting a strange person in the area indicates that Zimmerman didn’t even try to ask Martin a question.

When the police operator told Zimmerman “we don’t need you to do that [following Martin],” Zimmerman appears to have stopped following Martin and agreed to go to where the police would be arriving.

The medical evidence implies that Zimmerman did not physically attack Martin and thus there was no justification for Martin to start hitting Zimmerman.

With the case unraveling, it makes the prosecutor’s behavior look even more outrageous. The prosecutor wasn’t required to go to the grand jury for the indictment, but the fact that she didn’t in such a high-profile case is troubling. Everyone knows how easy it is for a prosecutor to get a grand jury to indict, because only the prosecutor presents evidence and the standard of proof is very low.

A grand-jury indictment would have provided political cover; that charges were brought without one means that the prosecutor was worried that even a grand jury would not give her the indictment.

The Obama administration has been fanning the flames, and it isn’t just President Obama’s attempt to personalize the tragedy.

News reports surfaced Tuesday that the US Justice Department was pushing hard to charge Zimmerman, who is part black himself, with a hate crime because Martin was black. Such a charge can carry a life prison term or even the death penalty.

Yet, Zimmerman and his wife mentored two black children for free.

A recent Reuters report that interviewed Zimmerman’s neighbors found that both black and Hispanics viewed Zimmerman as someone who cared deeply about his neighbors and volunteered to head the community watch to help them.

The claim that Zimmerman referred to blacks as “f***ing coons” has long since been dropped.

Using this case for political purposes has already come at a real cost. In Gainesville, Florida; Oak Park, Illinois; Mobile, Alabama; Toledo, Ohio; Grand Rapids, Michigan; and possibly Norfolk, Va., blacks have attacked whites in what they think is revenge for Zimmerman attacking Martin because he was black, and those are just the cases where the perpetrators would make some comment such as “This is for Trayvon.”

The media has been partially responsible for this aftermath with its sensational reporting. Recent coverage has helped to balance things out, but responsible reporting requires still more.

Bottom line: the medical reports about George Zimmerman are revealing a lot more information than the media have so far let on.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/1...t#ixzz1v62JYMwq
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#760287 - 05/16/12 09:20 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Sol Duc]
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Way to go media; always trying to make an issue out of race without any logical evidence, that goes for many other people and instituitions as well.
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#760291 - 05/16/12 09:21 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Sol Duc]
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Still no winners present in this.
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#760293 - 05/16/12 09:22 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Dogfish]
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You wouldn't say that if you were in the Zimmerman family.
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#760308 - 05/16/12 09:46 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: ]
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Zimmerman walks because the folks employed by tax payers screwed the case up. Not surprising really.
They were probably more worried about how many sick leave days the union had in the new contract.

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#760344 - 05/17/12 08:34 AM Re: Florida shooting [Re: 2MANY]
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I know this is a result of cut n paste but also very applicable to any article from that website:

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#760345 - 05/17/12 08:41 AM Re: Florida shooting [Re: stlhead]
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And now for the article itself...............

I only had to read two lines in to discover the entire article is based upon pure conjecture:

"First, the reports provide striking evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight with Martin, and that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense."
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#760349 - 05/17/12 09:01 AM Re: Florida shooting [Re: 2MANY]
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at least now that it has been revealed that Zimmerman has black skinned members in his family, CNN and some of the black skinned kooks in congress and elsewhere have had to lay to rest the race issue. that schit was gettin' old.

the prosecutor over-charged the case as they always do. a man slaughter charge is all they really have at best and with the recent release of medical records, that charge may be a hill to high.

Zimmerman was not out of line asking questions of a guy walking around, looking suspicious, in the neighborhood he was hired to watch. the chain of events that followed simply got out of hand. that's it that's all.

Zimmerman will walk.
as he should.
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#760360 - 05/17/12 09:45 AM Re: Florida shooting [Re: IdahoSH]
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He wasn't hired. Neighborhood watch is voluntary and awards you exactly zero extra rights as a citizen. So, yes, you are out of line attempting to stop and ask "questions of a guy walking around, looking suspicious, in the neighborhood" unless you witness him breaking a law.
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#760375 - 05/17/12 12:06 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: ]
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The prosecutor will have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, Zimmerman was STALKING rofl Martin and that he did not shoot Martin because he feared for his life.
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#760378 - 05/17/12 12:11 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Hankster]
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Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

The medical records were part of evidence released Tuesday that prosecutors have in the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman
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#760380 - 05/17/12 12:12 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Hankster]
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Wrong again. He will have to prove it wasn't self defense. Just because you are scared of stuff doesn't give you the right to shoot.
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#760382 - 05/17/12 12:17 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: stlhead]
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"Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture, two cuts to the back of his head, and a Skittle stuffed up his a$$ after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin."

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#760383 - 05/17/12 12:22 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: stlhead]
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Originally Posted By: stlhead
Wrong again. He will have to prove it wasn't self defense. Just because you are scared of stuff doesn't give you the right to shoot.


Wrong again. When is it not fearing for your life if you have been knocked down and someone is sitting on your chest beating you? That would fall within the parameter of self-defense.
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#760384 - 05/17/12 12:32 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Hankster]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: stlhead
Wrong again. He will have to prove it wasn't self defense. Just because you are scared of stuff doesn't give you the right to shoot.


Wrong again. When is it not fearing for your life if you have been knocked down and someone is sitting on your chest beating you. That would fall within the parameter of self-defense.


You RWWJ's are masters at making sh!t up.
"knocked down and someone is sitting on your chest beating you"
Where is there proof of this? There isn't. None. Zero. Nada.
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#760385 - 05/17/12 12:37 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: stlhead]
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Yeah, you're right. Getting smacked in the nose probably wouldn't knock you down. Zimmerman was more than likely taking a little rest after stalking Martin and laid down on his back.

You can discount the witness statement and the police report while you're at it.
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#760386 - 05/17/12 12:40 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Hankster]
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Can't wait till the book comes out.
Then we all will know the truth.

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#760388 - 05/17/12 12:46 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: Hankster]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Yeah, you're right. Getting smacked in the nose probably wouldn't knock you down. Zimmerman was more than likely taking a little rest after stalking Martin and laid down on his back.

You can discount the witness statement and the police report while you're at it.


So you are saying a mysterious witness who saw the whole thing has stepped forward? Or are you making it up?

Seems you've never seen the instigator of a fight get more than he can handle.
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#760389 - 05/17/12 12:51 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: stlhead]
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If you hadn't forgotten, you would have remembered seeing posts and even the audio recording of the witness. Go back through this thread and find it. It isn't something new.

Speaking of proof, where's yours backing up your claim Zimmerman was the instigator?
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#760390 - 05/17/12 12:52 PM Re: Florida shooting [Re: stlhead]
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Seems like Martin got more than he could handle.

Some learning experiences are more painful than others.

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