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#758698 - 05/09/12 08:41 PM Romney Flip/Flops again!!
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#758709 - 05/09/12 09:01 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ParaLeaks]
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This is one of those seasonal wedge issues designed to get voters (sheep) to the polls....nothing more.

Both sides will flip and flop depending on which way the wind blows.

Romney just flipped on the GM bailout saying now that his efforts were key in the recovery of the auto maker.

Not much to see here.
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#758717 - 05/09/12 09:24 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: Direct-Drive]
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I really found this interesting because I can't imagine a single vote change as a result of this decision. It doesn't seem to me to be politically advantageous, so what was his point?
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#758724 - 05/09/12 09:37 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ParaLeaks]
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Originally Posted By: Slab Happy
I really found this interesting because I can't imagine a single vote change as a result of this decision. It doesn't seem to me to be politically advantageous, so what was his point?

Gay Hollywood money according to CBS News.
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#758727 - 05/09/12 09:46 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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Ahhhh, of course. Money. My Dumb!
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#758742 - 05/09/12 10:42 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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His findings "evolve" where ever the money comes from......you can trust him for that.
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#758755 - 05/10/12 12:07 AM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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Wait, so fundraising around MORAL stances is now sleazy?

I'm on the RNC donor email list (handy!) and 90% of those emails are around MORAL stances. Are you kidding?
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#758761 - 05/10/12 12:51 AM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: IrishRogue]
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Things that make you go HMMMMMM....

Closing comment about Obama girls going to school with kids who are the products of same-sex unions.

Really now? That statement is dumber'N'hell.... not to mention biologically impossible.
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#758811 - 05/10/12 12:29 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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That same sex marriage could be a campaign issue is evidence of ignorance among the electorate. But that could be said of many issues.

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#758815 - 05/10/12 12:35 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: salmosalar
I can't find fault in someone coming to the correct conclusion.


Well said.

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#758823 - 05/10/12 01:29 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
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Hank,

Is your entire life about the desire to criticize people for actually changing their minds? To me there are three kinds of people. People who can't MAKE UP their minds on anything. People who have opinions but are not afraid change their minds thoughtfully. And finally people who never change their minds.

In your world the first two groups are "flip floppers", but the third group are the ones who have courage.

In my universe the first and last group are pinheads--for changing your mind -- actually allowing yourself to be persuaded by new information, new situations -- that is the hallmark of an active mind.

And while we're on the subject of flip-flopping, how is it that you're going to vote for a guy who flip flopped 180 degrees on major public policy issues (romneycare anyone?) and still bury the President for changing his position about 10 degrees on this issue?

... or is the real issue just that you'll parrot what the RW media wants you to say?
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#758831 - 05/10/12 02:02 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: IrishRogue]
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#758834 - 05/10/12 02:17 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: IrishRogue]
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Amazing on each side that when your guy flip-flops he evolves but just change the D to an R and he has no back bone and did for political gain. Is everyone really dumb enough to believe anything these a-holes say. What will be the next evolution.....Check the pols and see which will get them elected. That will lead you right to where each them will have their next epiphany.
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#758896 - 05/10/12 05:36 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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Like a lot of decisions--especially political ones-- that have mulit-dimensional aspects. I think it grossly oversimplifies reality to say "he did it because cash bundlers told him". I posit that there are 4 big reasons:

1. His base wanted him to (your bundler point) because they care about the issue.
2. The nationwide polling trends made it safe
3. Biden waded in and forced the presidents hand

but none of those are the real reason he said it...

4. Because he's held this opinion (and his tongue) for a long time as a political compromise. FINALLY his public opinion matches his private.


Edited by IrishRogue (05/10/12 05:36 PM)
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#759064 - 05/11/12 02:01 AM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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to me obama is not pandering because it is a position that may actually hurt his reelection chances not withstanding some fundraising boost from gay donors.

the evangelical crazies do not really like romney but this position by obama might get them fired up enough to energize the base in swing states.

to me, a changed position that hurts one's political chances speaks volumes more than changing one's positions on a daily basis.

obama may have made a gutsy call to go into pakistan for bin laden... but romney has even bigger balls lying about his past positions on a daily basis.

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#759192 - 05/11/12 09:24 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: topwater]
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Hank, once again I salute you.

You spend far more (as in too much) time in explaination of the obvious.....and for what? The chances of changing anyone's beliefs here are somewhere between zero and one half of one percent...being generous.

I always appreciate how the Left Ringers always try to say that any original thoughts and statements contrary to their own talking points must be the result of a mass right wing conclusion.

The whole point of this thread is obvious, but maybe not so much for some.

It boils down to ......... Flip Floppin' ain't a Romney exclusive trait. You dipsticks can try to find some heart warming reason for "O" boy's reversal, but it doesn't wash.....it was and is all about the money, honey......... rolleyes

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#759208 - 05/11/12 09:57 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Abu-Loomis
Originally Posted By: Slab Happy
Hank, once again I salute you.





rofl One foot out of the closet, ya old drunk!


Since I haven't had a drink in more than 25 years, you must be talking about yourself! One foot out and one foot in......as per

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#759214 - 05/11/12 10:10 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ParaLeaks]
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#759222 - 05/11/12 10:28 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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I made plenty of bad choices in my life.....you're just starting. Rookie. rofl
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#759225 - 05/11/12 10:31 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Abu-Loomis
Once a drunk loser, always a drunk loser.


The pot head can't even understand that Slab stopped drinking 25 years ago....he's fried.
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#759229 - 05/11/12 10:51 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Abu-Loomis
Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Originally Posted By: Abu-Loomis
Once a drunk loser, always a drunk loser.


The pot head can't even understand that Slab stopped drinking 25 years ago....he's fried.





With one shot of booze, slab would instantly revert to drunk loser mode and start doing his best Skul Fuc impression rofl


I don't know if I would revert "instantly", but it wouldn't be long...."Better living through chemistry" is like that. I reached a point where I almost killed a guy after starting a fight with two loud-mouths......and I didn't care. That's pretty serious stuff. I really don't want to go back there....and it certainly isn't likely that anyone here will get me started..... smile
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#759235 - 05/11/12 11:27 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: IrishRogue
Hank,

Is your entire life about the desire to criticize people for actually changing their minds? To me there are three kinds of people. People who can't MAKE UP their minds on anything. People who have opinions but are not afraid change their minds thoughtfully. And finally people who never change their minds.

In your world the first two groups are "flip floppers", but the third group are the ones who have courage.

In my universe the first and last group are pinheads--for changing your mind -- actually allowing yourself to be persuaded by new information, new situations -- that is the hallmark of an active mind.

And while we're on the subject of flip-flopping, how is it that you're going to vote for a guy who flip flopped 180 degrees on major public policy issues (romneycare anyone?) and still bury the President for changing his position about 10 degrees on this issue?

... or is the real issue just that you'll parrot what the RW media wants you to say?



Yep Romney is a bully! Romney Bullies Gay Kid

Parroting the RW media would be correct if it weren't for the fact the LW media has also speculated whether the Big-O made his historical announcement for the purpose of campaign contributions. The plea for cash that came out only a few hours afterwards is available on multiple sites and they're not all RW.

I'd say I was more cynical of his decision to do this at this time. He had long held the view gays should have rights accorded to others in the matters of hospital visitation, estates and other reasons. He still maintains states should make the decisions on whether gay marriages are recognized. His previous view could be considered 'separate but equal' because he thought marriage should be something between a man and a woman only.

In that 7 of 9 swing states have decided not to recognize them, his decision to come out in favor may or may not make a difference in how those states vote. Who knows? I kind of doubt it because it's something that's at the bottom of the list of voters' concerns.

So, my feeling is he really did it because campaign cash bundlers had told him they would withhold any further donations or efforts until he made his announcement.

In any case, a RWWJ beat him to the punch when Cheney endorsed gay marriages way back in '09. wink

I'm looking forward to the "Romney is a bully" discussion. smile
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#759244 - 05/12/12 12:17 AM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: Steelheadman]
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I quote the comedian Godfrey, " I pick my President like I pick up the first person in a basketball game. I'll take the Black guy"

I messed up the quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2Azl628Nw&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Edited by RB3 (05/12/12 12:20 AM)

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#759254 - 05/12/12 12:47 AM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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Weren't the republicans crying about Obamas birth certificate. Both sides are babies that bitch and whine and find the most retarded things to defame a person character. Positions of power come with the guaranteed end result of not being able to please everyone. They're all better men to me. Id tea bag every lil shiet talker starting with O'reilly then Cooper. Just sayin'.

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#759310 - 05/12/12 03:13 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: RB3]
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Wait so what's the statute of limitations on "old" stuff then Hank?

I mean at least Romney was the ACTOR here, unlike the criticism you happily engaged in of Obama's former preacher.

Can we all agree that ALL this stuff is nonsense? Either that or stop complaining about people bringing up this stuff.
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#759312 - 05/12/12 03:23 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: IrishRogue]
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Slab & Sol,

If you guys had half a brain between you, you'd put Abu on ignore. No offense to you or Abu, but your inane pot shots at each other waste bandwidth in political threads. Hank, you too.

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#759402 - 05/13/12 02:02 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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You're boring me Hank. What do you think of Rocky Anderson and his independent or Justice Party campaign? As indys go, I agree with far more of his platform than say, Ross Perot or Ron Paul. Of course, his ideological outlook seems doomed in a government electoral process bought and paid for by global corporate interests.

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#759443 - 05/13/12 05:30 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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And for any voter with half a brain or more, gay marriage is NOT a presidential campaign issue. It's not even a political issue. Thinking voters will base their decision on issues that matter to the welfare of the nation. Well, no, they actually won't, because if that were the case Obama and Romney would both be losers.

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#759602 - 05/14/12 11:57 AM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Single-issue voters have always been retarded in their thinking. Politicians who go after them are no better.

Salmo, I've eliminated all politicians who have spent any time as an attorney from my "will vote for" list.


Wait... So let me get this straight, Hank....

1. Hank asserts single issue voters = retarded.
2. Hank won't vote for anyone, based on the single issue of if they have been an attorney
3. Hank = retarded?

Q.E.D.


Edited by IrishRogue (05/14/12 11:58 AM)
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#759617 - 05/14/12 12:40 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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Doh!
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#759671 - 05/14/12 03:53 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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I'd hate to have things like they were when Bill Clinton was President.

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#759864 - 05/14/12 11:45 PM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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Back door Barry moose


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#759892 - 05/15/12 01:38 AM Re: Romney Flip/Flops again!! [Re: ]
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Almost every poll has Romney in the lead....... beer
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