#769707 - 07/01/12 09:47 AM
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Smolt
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Loc: mukilteo
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Hmmmm....bout time!! Buying $300,000 boats under the radar will do it:) dummy....
Edited by bhudda (07/01/12 09:52 AM)
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#769709 - 07/01/12 10:14 AM
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WINNER
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link? Sounds interesting.
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#769711 - 07/01/12 10:26 AM
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Wheres the story??
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#769713 - 07/01/12 10:35 AM
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[Re: Fear_no_fish]
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2018571362.htmlThe Seattle Times Local News Low-graphic news index | Mobile site -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, July 1, 2012 - Page updated at 10:30 a.m. Northwest's top federal fisheries cop removed from office By Craig Welch Seattle Times environment reporter The special agent in charge of federal fish cops in the Northwest has been removed from her position while internal government investigators pore over documents from her Seattle office, sources say. Vicki Nomura, who has overseen law enforcement for the National Marine Fisheries Service in Seattle for a decade, was abruptly replaced in mid-May by an official from the agency's headquarters in Silver Spring, Md. Her office was the subject of attention earlier this year when it was disclosed that one of her agents had paid $300,000 for a luxury boat without following proper bidding procedure, then used the boat for social outings with friends and family. Officials at the Fisheries Service declined to comment on the latest investigation. An email written by the agency's new director of law enforcement, Bruce Buckson, to his staff said Nomura "has been temporarily detailed to HQ staff for an undetermined length of time." But several sources with knowledge of the situation said the agency's head of law enforcement told staff in Seattle that the U.S. Commerce Department's inspector general was conducting an internal investigation of Nomura and of operations in Seattle. The focus of the review was not clear, but staff members were told to avoid contact with Nomura. One former agent, now retired from government service, even called the agency's headquarters last week to share information about his tenure in Seattle. He was put in touch with internal investigators who agreed to pass his contact information to the inspector general conducting the investigation. A spokesman for the inspector general's office said the agency could neither confirm nor deny the existence of any investigation. The Fisheries Service is a division of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and Nomura's section of the agency is a law-enforcement branch that employs 111 special agents with most of the same police powers as FBI agents. Fisheries agents police commercial fishing and the illegal trade in fish and marine mammals, from poaching of endangered species to international smuggling of everything from whale teeth to shark fins. There are 12 special agents in Seattle. In the last two years, the Fisheries Service's national law-enforcement program has been the subject of several scathing audits, focused primarily on leadership in its Maryland headquarters and on issues in New England, where agents were accused of bullying commercial fishermen, conducting heavy handed raids on fish markets and mismanaging an asset-forfeiture fund. The reviews criticized agents for threatening fishermen cited for violating fishing rules with extravagant fines — sometimes in the hundreds of thousands of dollars — if the fishermen contested the citations. The agency's previous top law-enforcement officer, Dale Jones, was shifted to a new job after he was accused of shredding documents. His superiors have said the shredding was part of a routine paperwork purge. The Northwest office largely escaped attention until February, when U.S. Sen. Scott Brown, R-Mass. released results of an earlier internal investigation of the Seattle office by Commerce's inspector general. The IG found that in 2008, while Nomura was in charge, one of her managers spent $300,000 on a 35-foot Boston whaler ostensibly to spy on whale-watching tours. But the manager bought the boat without going through a proper bidding process and held barbecues, took friends and family members across Puget Sound to restaurants and resorts, and used the boat for what a visitor called "a pleasure cruise." Ultimately, the boat was used for official purposes for just 119 hours. The heavily redacted documents detailing that investigation state that an unnamed female manager in the office confronted the high-level agent who bought the boat about potential misuse of government property, which he denied. But the manager did not make a record of the accusations or refer the matter to headquarters, as required. Nomura was the only woman in leadership in that office — and both her deputies were men. It's not clear if the current investigation is connected to the purchase or operation of the boat. Nomura, 49, has been part of some the Northwest's most storied investigations. In the late 1990s, she posed as "Tori," secretary to an undercover informant who bought and sold shellfish. She secretly recorded phone calls to a Las Vegas fish broker who illegally bought hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of geoduck. The Vegas broker tried to hire a hit man to rough up a rival clam salesman, and the broker eventually wound up in federal prison. Craig Welch: 206-464-2093 or cwelch@seattletimes.com. On Twitter @craigawelch. Related: Archive: Luxury NOAA undercover boat got more use as pleasure cruiser (Feb. 2012) Copyright © The Seattle Times Company ********** Fish on... Todd
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#769715 - 07/01/12 10:47 AM
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Interesting that the manager who bought/used the 300K boat gets no disciplinary acton?
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#769718 - 07/01/12 11:23 AM
Re: fed fish cop removed from NW post...
[Re: eyeFISH]
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It doesn't say that a report was filed previous to the illegal "use", like when the boat was purchased in an illegal fashion, so maybe someone wasn't invited to go on the "cruise"? 
Edited by Slab Happy (07/01/12 11:26 AM)
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#769722 - 07/01/12 11:44 AM
Re: fed fish cop removed from NW post...
[Re: Slab Happy]
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Registered: 11/20/08
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Whenever this type of stuff comes up I just keep telling myself this is just one sour grape in the bunch but it does get my head scratchin'.
How many people here would practically kill to have a decent job like that and than you find out about these folks that just keep helping themselves despite a comfy paycheck and benefits, it makes me sick.
Plus, you know these folks are making any and all job opportunities available only to their friends and family et cetera. And we wonder why work places are so inefficient and jobs so hard to find......
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#769729 - 07/01/12 12:48 PM
Re: fed fish cop removed from NW post...
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Smolt
Registered: 04/06/11
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Loc: mukilteo
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Thanks Todd! Im not so savvy:) its despicable what they get away with,no charges,no fines...,etc. Wonder whats gonna happen to that Boston whaler?
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#769747 - 07/01/12 03:06 PM
Re: fed fish cop removed from NW post...
[Re: bhudda]
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400lbs of Butt in 3 years
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And on top of all this, when the story broke the agent reportedly blew a engine to the tune of a 30k repair for failure to keep it properly lubricated, replaced on the taxpayer dime of course. F%$#!@! idiot...
Everyone who was involved should be fired, fined for their misdeeds, and permanently removed from any public service position.
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#769748 - 07/01/12 03:15 PM
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And on top of all this, when the story broke the agent reportedly blew a engine to the tune of a 30k repair for failure to keep it properly lubricated, replaced on the taxpayer dime of course. F%$#!@! idiot...
Everyone who was involved should be fired, fined for their misdeeds, and sent to jail. fixed...
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#769772 - 07/01/12 05:12 PM
Re: fed fish cop removed from NW post...
[Re: Salmo g.]
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As I recall the requiring activity (versus who actually purchased the boat) first wanted one particular boat and when he couldn't get that through the requirement later resurfaced as the vessel currently being discussed.
That individual tried to sole source the purchase but the Contracting Officer (CO) didn't accept that approach and made them come up with some specifications and after much pressure (e.g. the law enforcement card) ultimately convinced the CO to put the requirement out for quote amongst firms holding General Services Administration (GSA) contracts.
The procurement period was short and the number of firms holding GSA contracts able to supply vessels let alone one with the specs the requiring activity asserted it needed (bet they were taken right out of the manufacturer's catalog) resulted in only one offer - that being for the boat they wanted (why am I not surprised?).
I would suggest that the requiring activity (whoever generated the requirement) made false statements regarding their need and should be fired. The CO failed to stand tall and meet the requirements of the Competition in Contracting Act and should probably be demoted losing his/her Contracting Officer's warrant.
And don't forget that the requiring activity misrepresented the facts internally that allowed this purchase to avoid a vessel procurement review process even before the actual purchase action was begun.
These are all prior to the misuse/abuse of the vessel.
But, Jason, your statement that "you know these folks are making any and all job opportunities available only to their friends and family et cetera" is without substance and only goes to expose your ignorance and bias regarding civil service employment. The patronage system died along with President McKinley.
Salmo, your are right that this was screwed up big time but I disagree that there were any positive points for anyone given the public airing this has (rightfully) enjoyed.
Edit: More recollection: Not only did they push the "law enforcement" need they further claimed an exigency (e.g. "need it soonest") for the upcoming season which further pushed the CO to find a way to make it happen yet give the appearance of competition. Yet, in the final act the vessel did not actually get it into service for that season.......
Edited by Larry B (07/01/12 07:15 PM) Edit Reason: Added Info
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#769776 - 07/01/12 05:29 PM
Re: fed fish cop removed from NW post...
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Posts: 417
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So nomura is gone, why isn't"the manager" fired. Really makes me feel good that im still paying him every day, and for his insurance, retirement, paid vacations, and waiting for that prick to log more hours and get a promotion. Why is it that so many govt employees make out better, and are better protected with job security, than those working in the private sector. I am so sick of this crap. Besides being fired, isn't this some degree of embezzling, when you knowingly steal resources from the public funds?
Edited by ned (07/01/12 05:33 PM)
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#769787 - 07/01/12 06:20 PM
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[Re: Salmo g.]
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the reason for the negative public opinion of gov't. agencies is because of the seemingly endless supply of examples that earn it. lol Sig line worthy!
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#769795 - 07/01/12 07:20 PM
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Larry b, Jason is spot on. Maybe they're not blood related, but they are all cut from the same cloth when they are all aware of the scam, and still knowingly participate. I think I played around with that one already.  I don't disagree, but I'm trying to understand the mindset of those who just keep their heads low in self preservation. Right? No. Understandable? Probably.
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#769796 - 07/01/12 07:23 PM
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[Re: ned]
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Spawner
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Ned, you can't rationally support Jason's grossly erroneous and uninformed statement regarding employment of family members using the rationale that they (employees) were all in on the scam. They are different issues and, yes, all of those who were involved or had knowledge of wrong doing and took no action are, to various degrees, culpable.
Unfortunately, as Salmo has pointed out, actions of a few taint the many who do their jobs competently.
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#769801 - 07/01/12 08:03 PM
Re: fed fish cop removed from NW post...
[Re: Larry B]
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Registered: 11/20/08
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I don't want to start a firestorm.
I just hear about this stuff so often it gets me jaded and know of people getting hired through networking all the time, especially in government offices.
Is that not how every knows these things work? Networking is something they tell you to do it in the unemployment office.....Plus, can you blame folks for hiring those that support their agenda? The problem is of character in this country, not qualifications or skills.
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#769806 - 07/01/12 08:14 PM
Re: fed fish cop removed from NW post...
[Re: Jason Beezy]
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Let's just leave it that as a retired Federal employee I have some 35 years of actual experience (kind of like a picture) to rely upon rather than a "just hear about this stuff" foundation for my position.
I am done on this issue.
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#769865 - 07/02/12 10:59 AM
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[Re: Larry B]
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Yo Larry B, yah might wanna point out for the folks here the example of the Head of BPA's Procurement (Head Contracting Officer -- a classic example of a diverse Glass Ceiling Doofus) organization is currently sitting in the Federal Pen in Sheriden Oregon. It seems our Diverse Glass Ceiling Gal wanted her hubby employed in a well paying YOB so she put the arm on a couple of BPA's large service contractors to sub-contract to her hubby, a definite criminal no-no. It was an attempt to "Hire" relatives but failed cause somebody knew and did not like the favortism and blew a whistle.
My point is that the problem is not so much hiring relatives, but hiring "Like Opinion Kind" or another favorite I like to point out from my BPA days, only hiring alumni from the Oregon State Electrical Engineering program. BPA became rather inbred by those two examples. And when I say only electrical engineers, I mean they hired them for a lot on non-engineering jobs for which they had no qualifications or experiences. Just look at another classic example, teachers, in particular NEA affliated teachers, a whole lot of inbreeding there.
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#769872 - 07/02/12 11:42 AM
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Just look at another classic example, teachers, in particular NEA affliated teachers, a whole lot of inbreeding there. MMMMMMM, not when I got hired, 1968. The then Superintendant, wanted people from all over the USA. His thoughts were to get different idea from many regions. He also liked Vetern's and older teachers......now that changed with different Administration changes...many "locals" got hired......heck, even a few of my past students were hired before I retired.
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#769944 - 07/02/12 05:24 PM
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[Re: Larry B]
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Registered: 08/12/08
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But, Jason, your statement that "you know these folks are making any and all job opportunities available only to their friends and family et cetera" is without substance and only goes to expose your ignorance and bias regarding civil service employment. The patronage system died along with President McKinley.
I fall in the middle on this one. As a federal employee, there is perks to having a family member IN the government and will more likely than not, get you in as well (eventually). Saying they're hording all the jobs for themselves and family members is untrue.
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#770105 - 07/03/12 01:38 PM
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Ned, you can't rationally support Jason's grossly erroneous and uninformed statement regarding employment of family members using the rationale that they (employees) were all in on the scam. They are different issues and, yes, all of those who were involved or had knowledge of wrong doing and took no action are, to various degrees, culpable.
Unfortunately, as Salmo has pointed out, actions of a few taint the many who do their jobs competently. Sounds like a long term gov't employee. There is no point in trying to defend a system that is so completely broken that it is indefensible... Just bow your head, say "thank you" to those that pay your wages and hope that you never have to go job hunting in the real world.
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#770130 - 07/03/12 03:36 PM
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Gov't......the perfect love/hate organization.
Who here believes the line, "I'm from the gov't, and I'm here to help you." ????
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#770166 - 07/03/12 07:47 PM
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[quote=stam There is no point in trying to defend a system that is so completely broken that it is indefensible... Just bow your head, say "thank you" to those that pay your wages and hope that you never have to go job hunting in the real world. [/quote]
Hmm, I don't recall trying to defend a system. In fact, if you can follow my earlier post I was far from apologetic for the actions of those employees at NOAA.
As far as having been a career Federal employee I do not owe you an explanation for my choice nor did I then or now bow my head in thanks. Truth be known the taxpayers got more than their monies worth out of me during that career.
Oh, and since we have never met (I'd certainly remember......) I was just wondering how you have developed information to attack me personally in this manner? Or maybe you don't have any such information......just an unfounded opinion.
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#770214 - 07/04/12 07:48 AM
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[Re: Larry B]
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Model Citizen, Zero Discipline!
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Oh, and since we have never met (I'd certainly remember......) I was just wondering how you have developed information to attack me personally in this manner? Or maybe you don't have any such information......just an unfounded opinion.
Sorry if that came off too personal, you're right, I don't know you, just know many gov't employees and it was your post that set off my agitation towards the system. The Golden Children of our society are going to eat us out of house and home.... you may be the exception, but it's hard to sympathize with a system that when it needs more money, it doesn't have to earn it, it just takes it... Eliminate 25% of them, cut the remaining "workers" wages by 25% and we'd be closer to real world employment. As to the original subject, If these people buying yachts, (or on any level of gov't) spent half as much effort trying to come up with creative ways to save money as they do to spend it.... ...well, you know. just frustrated stam
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#770252 - 07/04/12 03:23 PM
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[Re: Keeper]
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John Proxmire had his "Golden Fleece" award and AuntyM has her PITA award. Thank you AM, I shall wear it with pride! And yes, there were those who were happy to see me leave.
Stam, I suggest that reducing staffing by 25% and concurrently reducing pay by 25% is the wrong approach. If you want to reduce staffing then first look to reducing the programs which that staff is hired to support. But that is a whole different discussion and is not fishing related (but would certainly lead to less oversight and talent in the contracting field -those folks whose responsibility it is to try to control this kind of stuff).
Keeper, in a way you are correct. My experience is that many of the decision makers perceived (past tense as I am retired) their budget as being "their" money. It is the responsibility of the procuring office and warranted Contracting Officer to try and enforce the procurement regulations and bring sanity into play. In this case the first Contracting Officer appears to have put up a good fight and the requiring activity later circumvented that CO and found another who, under pressure, found a way to give the appearance of competitive contracting but, in reality, failed miserably.
What is really so unfortunate is that the public is still only getting bits and pieces of this yet deserves a full accounting to include who (maybe only by position as non-criminal adverse personnel actions are generally not public info) was punished and the nature of that punishment. This reassignment pending full review is a start but (cynic that I am) will not result in any lasting punishment.
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#770266 - 07/04/12 07:04 PM
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[Re: Larry B]
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Saving money is a lip service only scenario. And here's why......if any department spends less each year, then they get less the following year. So what usually happens is that at the end of the cycle, any left over money in the department is quickly spent on a variety of "extras"....although they are not usually extravagant, mostly just office niceties, such as new chairs or desks, etc......not REALLY necessary to have new, but the money must be gone in order to ask for more.
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