That's why I don't invest in pork belly futures, the agricultural markets have always been pretty volatile. Inb4, stlhead comes in and rants how the existence of futures markets is causing the drought.
I don't eat wheat, corn or soybeans, or products made from them. These are animal food and stuff that only desperate poor people eat, since most food at the grocery store contains this garbage, I don't buy much from them. Although I do eat beef, pork, chicken and drink beer, so am indirectly effected by the price increases. But I got a freezer full of halibut and I'm about to fill another one with salmon, so I should be good. Other than meat and beer, I mostly eat leafy green fresh vegetables, which I can grow myself in my yard if I don't like the market prices. I have already canned up a year's supply of strawberry jam and preserves, raspberry jam and have a year's supply of beer on hand. My tomato plants are looking good and I will have a nice stash of canned tomatoes and salsa once they ripen.
People like to bitch about dams, but at least in this case, they are benefiting us, as Eastern Washington is irrigated and should keep pumping out food. This will help our State's economy as we export food and should keep local prices slightly lower than other areas.
I think there will be a slight dip in meat prices that will mostly be absorbed by McDonalds and other major purchasers stocking up. Cured Pork in particular, is often kept over seasons in cold storage by wholesalers anyway. However when the price starts to rise, it should rise a lot due to two factors, the scarcity of meat and the price of feed.
Another factor is the amount of corn and other produce that we are using to produce ethanol for "green energy." One of the unintended side effects of this policy is that it raises the price of grain which hurts poor people the most as they consume the most grain as a part of their diet and are the least able to absorb price increases. So when the poor are starving in the streets so some uppity libtards can enjoy the smell of their own farts for burning "green energy" in their vehicle, I just have to ask why does Obama and the Democrats hate poor people and want them to starve?
This drought is also going to hurt poor people in other countries, as we export a lot of agricultural produce. While poor in other countries will starve and riot, more importantly, our trade deficit will grow further increasing our indebtedness to foreigners.
I'm glad went in the business of farming people, not cattle, as this drought shouldn't effect me too much. Although the reason I decided to farm people and not cattle is that most but not all people smell better than cattle.
Sure, grains will keep you from starving, but that doesn't mean they are healthy for you to eat long term.
I quit eating wheat, corn, soybeans, ect and lost 25 lbs in one month. If I quit drinking beer I'd probably drop another 25 lbs. I also feel much better. Nobody is completely self sufficient, but the more you can do for yourself gives you the option of not buying in the market if you don't want to pay the higher price.
I never said that man wasn't an omnivore, I eat vegetables and fruit, but recognize grains as the junk food they are. You can eat pretty much all the broccoli and steaks you want until your food. If you try and do that with grains like corn, you won't stay full very long and your body will convert it all to fat.
Look at ancient societies, they fed grains to slaves and the poor, normal people did not eat them. In fact the fattest people are the poor, who eat the most grain in their diet.
Look into the Atkins, Paleo or other diets out there. The food pyramid the government puts out is completely upside down.
I don't know everything, only Redhook and Todd know everything, if in doubt, just ask them! I used to know everything back when I was a teenager but years of drinking have clogged up my brain cells with malt and hops so I'm not near as smart as I used to be.
Humans did not eat grains in quantity until they were domesticated because it was not energy efficient to gather them. Ancient humans ate small quantities of everything. Since the dawn of agriculture, humans have become weaker and stupider--most likely due to eating grains.
Comparing eating whole cracked wild grains to the processed flours and high fructose corn syrups we eat today is silly. The reason processed flour and high fructose corn syrups are a popular product is because they have a long shelf life, the reason being is that they are difficult for organisms to digest and that they are midly toxic. Grains have lectins in them that bind to nutrients making them unavailable for digestion, which causes chronic nutrient shortages in grain eaters, which in turn makes them hungry and causes them to consume calories.
It's pretty obvious to everyone that a donut is junk food however for some reason people think a slice of bread with jam is healthy, when it is only marginally better.
Corn is a rubbish food that I wouldn't even feed to my dog (if I had one), unfortunately the government subsides it making it cheaper than it should be which is why they put it in almost everything. The good news is that this drought is affecting the heartland of our corn production and I think higher corn prices will lead to less consumption--and that's a good thing.
From personal experience I can tell you that there is no comparison between how you feel when you don’t eat grains and when you do.
Actually, the "grains" that were gathered around 100,000 years ago don't resemble the processed garbage sold in stores. If you were eating whole, ancient grains, they would give you proteins, antioxidants and phytochemicals that you won't get in any meat, vegetable or fruit. A varied diet is just that... VARIED. If you want to leave out eating grains so that you can keep drinking mass quantities of beer, you're missing out.
You will get more proteins, antioxidants and phytochemicals from fruits and vegetables calorie for calorie than you will grains. A salad is better for you than a sandwich, and more filling. As for the rest of the quote, I agree, ancient people weren't eating the processed garbage they sell at the store as grains. Also,If I'm going to eat something unhealthy, it might as well be beer.
Originally Posted By: AuntyM
As to the amount of energy spent gathering... that was the job of women and children, while the man laid around figuring out how to make a beverage with it so he'd have something "safe" to drink when he was hunting far away from his clean water supply.
Actually brewing beverages were thought of as a woman's job, proving that ancient man was a total a$$hat.
Originally Posted By: AuntyM
When they found wild wheat, spelt, oats or rice, it wasn't just a clump or two. It was usually a field and wouldn't be hard to gather even with stone age tools. Drying and storing in skins was also pretty easy and was the easiest food to preserve.
Most likely when they found wild grains they fermented that schit, so they could get fugged up.
Depends on who you are. People who descended from the roaming barbarian hordes (northern Europeans being one of them), didn't eat grains, just milk and meat. They were horse people. When some of them settled on the North European plain, they became fishermen as well as hunters. In fact 1 out of every 3 persons of northern European descent is intolerant of grains and causes health problems. In fact if you are not lactose intolerant, you are likely grain intolerant, most people are one or the other.
Originally Posted By: AuntyM
Corn served the purpose it was intended to by mother nature before we "bastardized" it. It should only be consumed when you need to store "fat" for the lean winter months like the Native people did.
I agree that it is bastardized and that it should only be consumed when you want to get fatter. But in today's age of abundant food and mechanical refrigeration, is there a time when you really want to get fatter?
If you've ever eaten grass fed beef, you will see that it is leaner and better tasting than that fatty corn fed garbage that people suck down. Not only are grass fed beef leaner, of the fat they do have, is higher in the "healthy" omega-3 fatty acids which makes it for you. I don't know any farmers that corn feed cattle meant for their own consumption.
So the drought, like most things in life, is going to have mixed consequences, some bad and some good. One of the upsides is that corn is going to be more expensive, which will hopefully switch the population's diet to a slightly more healthy side. Normally I would not care about the rest of the population's health and say fvck 'em let them die, but now with Obamacare, everyone else's health is going to cost me more money, so I do.
As for corn being tasty, many things that are bad for you are tasty. I still wouldn't eat it, or feed it to a dog or even a cow. One observation that you corn eaters should do to see how undigestable corn is, is to look at your turd for chunks of corn--that stuff shoots right through you undigested.
Ya know... you might actually want to research how "unhealthy" those people are before holding them up as an example. The healthiest region and diet by far, is in the Mediterranean. And guess what? They eat BREAD. OMG!
Actually according to this medical journal, the Mediterranean diet's health effects are more correleated with "high consumption of vegetables, fruits and nuts, olive oil and legumes. Minimal contributions were found for cereals and dairy products, possibly because they are heterogeneous categories of foods with differential health effects."
I'd also point out that people in the Mediterranean also have different genetics, have been exposed to grains longer, have more physical activity and are also exposed to more sunlight, which stimulates production of Vitamin D in the skin.
Mireille Guiliano, the french author who wrote the best selling book popularizing the "Mediterranean Diet" in America credits it's health benefits to: small portions, daily exercise, and the emphasis on fresh foods. Not grains.
I believe that fresh foods are healthier than processed food that's been sitting around on a shelf and grains are not even digestible unless they have been processed, so with the exception of sweet corn, it isn't even possible for grains to be fresh. I can't believe a person would be arguing against eating fresh food in favor of non-fresh food.
I don't think that there is anyone out there drinking beer thinking it's a health elixir, but there are plenty of people out there who have deluded themselves into think that eating whole wheat bread is healthier than eating wonderbread when in fact it is only marginally better, and both are junk.
True, if I really cared about my heath, I'd quit drinking beer and exercise more. But since I have a inherited medical disorder that dramatically shortens lifespan, I'm going to die long before KK and Hank anyway regardless of what I eat, so I might as well enjoy my limited time here on planet Earth. However, this doesn't mean that grains are healthy for you. I never claimed that beer and sitting on your butt looking at a computer screen was either.
My point was that the drought isn't all bad, it may lead to healthier eating.
Loc: Silverdale, WA
FP- Maybe I am confused here but are you saying people may eat healthier because the drought will decrease the grain crops? Wouldn't the drought also decrease the fresh fruit/vegetables? Leading people to eat more boxed type foods?
"A bad day fishing, is always better than a good day of yard work"
I would think that people would eat more from their own gardens, which generally don't include grain crops.
I just hate that high fructose corn syrup in everything because it is so cheap. It's much cheaper than it ought to be because the government subsidizes it. The government subsidizes tobacco farming too but unlike that it doesn't pretend it's good for you.
It's elementary... Replacing "most" red meats with healthier fats from fish, olives, nuts and veggies is what makes the Mediterranean diet better. Since they do eat more bread than red meat, your theory is invalidated.
If it was just the veggies and fruits, vegans would be the healthiest group on the planet.
You lose Buckwheat. Oh wait... Hop head!
Vegans are unhealthy because they do not consume enough protein from meat. Protein from healthy sources like grass fed beef and fish. Grain fed beef is bad for you because it has too much bad type of fats, which are there because the animal ate grain. If you eat grain, your body makes the same fats. I already mentioned the fat balance up above in the difference between grass fed and grain fed beef.
Vegans are also unhealthy because they consume a lot of soy mostly in the form of tofu. Some legumes are healthy others are not. Soybeans are the worst, as they block your body from absorbing proper nutrients and on top of that has estrogen mimicking compounds in it that turns men into effeminate pansy a$$ bitches and screws with women's hormones too by making their body stop producing estrogen because it is being flooded with these mimicking compounds. That's why most vegans end up like this...
Loc: City By The Bay
Originally Posted By: FishPrince
Vegans are also unhealthy because they consume a lot of soy mostly in the form of tofu. Some legumes are healthy others are not. Soybeans are the worst, as they block your body from absorbing proper nutrients
One of the reasons for the Japanese having the longest life expectancy rates is due to their diets. Furthermore, Japanese people eat about 40 times more soy products than Westerners. Soy foods contain an abundance of natural occurring substances which are anti-carcinogens and have been proven effective against breast cancer and prostate cancer. Because soy is a low-fat source of protein, studies indicate that soy consumption can help you lose weight and build lean muscle mass.
"There is no solution. They'll never fix anything."
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Too much red meat is no better for you than too much bread or beer.
Like I "tried" to tell your stubborness earlier, a varied diet, in moderation. That includes grain, and even corn!
I was never championing red meat, I only eat it once or twice a week and not grain fed either. I eat chicken, fish and shellfish mostly along with a lot of vegetables. I eat a small amount of fruit, a little bit of cheese and a few nuts as well. My favorite meats in this order are: crab, cod/halibut/rockfish, shrimp and oysters/clams and I eat each of these every week. I also like salmon/steelhead but only if it's fresh, once it's been frozen I don't like it, so into the smoker it goes. You can design a varied diet that supplies all necessary nutrients without a single piece of grain, but cannot without fresh fruits, fresh vegetables and even some meat. As for being stubborn, I actually attribute most of my success in life to my tenacity.
I also never claimed to be the most healthy person on the planet, as you know I'm a lazy, slovenly, fat bastard but when I quit eating grains, I lost weight, had more energy and felt better than ever before. That was pretty surprising to me because I always heard that whole grains were healthy (I pretty much only ate whole grains, never white bread). So I thought I'd share my perspective, sorry if this offends you.
Diet is a hard thing to argue because there is no scientific agreement. This is due to the limitations of science, there are too many complex factors and due to ethical limitations we can't put people in cages and control their physical activity and pump them full of a single food.
For every study you can point to saying something is good, I can point to one saying it's bad.
"A study conducted in Hawaii, the Honolulu Heart Study, came up with a surprising finding. The study looked at Japanese men residing in Hawaii and aimed to compare diet to risk of dementia. The researchers found that those men who ate tofu most frequently during their mid-40's to mid-60's showed the most signs of mental deterioration in their 70's to early 90's.11 In this study of over 3000 men, intake of 26 foods, including tofu, was recorded between 1965 and 1967 and again in 1971 to 1974. Cognitive test performance was assessed between 1991 and 1993 and the researchers also looked at brain shrinkage through autopsy data of the men who died during the study. Tofu consumption of just two to four servings per week was associated with poorer test performance and more brain loss."
So whatever the cause is of Japanese life expectancy, you can't prove it's soy. Could be the fish they eat. Could be genetics. Could be about a million things. Could be that they are not obese whales who gorge themselves on bread, corn and fatty meat fed on grain and corn, thinking it's healthy.
I also think that different groups of people are biologically predisposed to eating certain diets. Some people may be able to eat dairy and be healthy, while others can't. Some people may be able to eat grains and be healthy, while others can't. The genetic background of most Americans is Northern European which are a predator type, so I'm going to eat like my predator ancestors. If I was Japanese, I'd probably eat more rice and soy because my ancestors would have sat around swamps cultivating rice and I wouldn't eat dairy because it wouldn't be healthy for me because I wouldn't be a predator but a grazer.
I am a predator, I eat meat. That there may be other people on the planet whose bodies have evolved in different ways but that doesn't mean that what they eat is healthy for us.
Honestly I can't believe I'm having an argument like this with a woman who fishes and gardens. Perhaps she is just bored today and is just looking for something to argue about to pass the time.
I'm guessing that beef, chicken, pork prices will be going way down, but only briefly. You may want to stock up. This could be a long ugly one.
What? Global Climate Change? Is that what you're saying?
Why do you hate 'Merica so much, Slabby?
Climate change?......ever hear of the Dust Bowl of the '30's? Climate changes are a fact of life.
hate 'Merica?.........really! Bozo statement. OH, you mean your interpretation. I'm not the one trying to change everything on someone else's dollar and calling it progressive....BTW, that's a classic oxymoron......going forward by promoting backward progression?
Has it occurred to you that anyone living in a blacktop jungle preaching to those who don't, should maybe be looking in the mirror when expounding on the detrimental effects of development?
Plant a tree in your own yard, get off the grant teat, and live within your means.......? THAT would be a change I could go for.
Here's your cookie.....you do some good things and I don't want to diminish that in any way. It's funny that you think I'm a product of mass agenda thinking.....and I think you are the same. I think government is way over the line, and you want more. Tough differences.
Agendas kill the truth.
Todd: There is no liberal media bias...period. ( )
Dogfish: Take stupid chances, win stupid prizes.
FishRanger: "FVCK that, we need to spike the F'n ball, look into the cheap seats and say you're next M'F'r, you wanna play too ? !"
Droughts have been around since the invention of agriculture, in fact even before it.
Those global warming kooks always ignore data but that's merely the attentional cognitive bias, the data we have in front of our face is more important than all the other data out there we didn't read; the recency bias, the data we got right now is more important than all that other data we collected in the past. They also suffer from the illusion of control cognitive bias if they think the government has the power and ability to change the weather as people tend to overestimate their influence over external events. They also suffer from the egocentric cognitive bias if they think that we petty little human beings actually effect the weather more than the planet and the sun.
Don't let that stop you Todd, please tell me more how a single drought is somehow global climate change.
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
If you eat only organic food, you'll be sure you'll die of only organic cancer.
Most dietary claims are backed up by little more than anecdotal evidence. Our understanding of how diet affects your overall health is rudimentary at best, mostly because there are so many confounding factors when trying to perform any study with enough participants to gather meaningful data.
If you feel good, your blood chemistry looks good, and you're not obese, then that's all you really need to know. You can check if your poop floats if you want, or eat only raw foods, but it won't have a thing to do with how healthy you are. Ask Jim Fixx.
Send you to heaven, take you to hell I ain't foolin', can't you tell.........I'm a live wire.
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
It's common sense, but it's hard to prove.
And if you can't prove it, then why get all wound up about it?
If you and your identical twin ate the same diet, you choosing organic and your twin not, you would most likely not be able to document any overall health benefit to you.
Eat organic because you like the taste, or you like the way it's brought to market, or because you think you look cooler buying organic products. I'm just saying you'll have a hard time proving it's making you healthier.
Send you to heaven, take you to hell I ain't foolin', can't you tell.........I'm a live wire.
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
I suspect it's "all of the above".
However, after watching the fools here and dipshits all over the tv misrepresenting the President's comments, on purpose, and somehow feeling that they are not lying sacks'o'shitt, I suspect Illy will somehow justify that he is correct, even though he knows he is not talking about anything at all like what we are talking about, and that he's doing it on purpose to be a dickhead.
Odds gotta have a bit of bait now and then. Besides if you define Organic, you WILL see that I am correct. Current regulations make for interesting ambiguities. What ever happened to Ethyl and tetra ethyl? I'm kinda disappointed in your verbage tho, Odd. Idiot? Are you an expert on the afflictiion or just judging by your own case?
Hankster is pretty right on. Verbage is a modern marriage of redundant vocalizations applied to the keyboard and garbage. However, a bit of nitpicking is to be expected from Odd. He can see the toothpicks but not the trees. I can see no excuse for the one with the 3 pointed hat. He is not a prince.