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#774086 - 07/23/12 04:01 PM Penn State Sanctions
Twitch Offline
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#774093 - 07/23/12 04:44 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Twitch]
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i dont agree with them personally...

the school fine, not sure about, but why take away scholarships for future kids, take away all the wins for the team, that the kids gave them, not allow the kids now, and in the next 4 years to be able to play in a bowl game, what happens if they go undefeated?

personally, i think the Dean, and everyone involved with Sandusky should be fined, fired, and investigated...

dont punnish the kids for something some old jackwagons did... thats not fair...

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#774119 - 07/23/12 06:11 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ]
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Mark Emmert claims no program can be too big to fail yet he goes on to explain they couldn't give them the death sentence because they are too big to fail (would hurt the community, the band, etc). Huh?
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#774140 - 07/23/12 06:47 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: stlhead]
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The NCAA can't not impose sanctions. But the problem with sanctions is that they always penalize people who had no association with the crime other than association with the university. And those who did the crime, other than Sandusky in this case, bear no penalty. Maybe the former university prez, VP, and AD will be prosecuted in this case, but then this case is different from almost all athletic breaches of conduct where the star running back gets a new car on the sly, etc.

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#774206 - 07/23/12 09:36 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ]
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This is nothing new, all NCAA sanctions punish the current players. USC received sanctions 4 years after Bush was gone. You vacate the wins because (1) It removes Peterno from the record book (2) They gained an competitive advantage by cover this up. Do you really think PSU would have got the recruits from 98-2011 if this had come out (granted very few of those players were any good) but no one would want to play for Pedophilia University.


Edited by gvbest (07/23/12 09:36 PM)
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#774209 - 07/23/12 09:52 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: gvbest]
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Who is this supposed to satisfy?
The kids who were subjected to Sandusky?
Well the whole thing fails miserably.
It's not about the students, nor about the kid's football team. It's about one coach for sure, and maybe about a second.....but that really hasn't been made very clear to me. Paterno, I understand, reported what he saw to a superior.....now they are saying that wasn't enough? Did I get that right?

Maybe he should have done more. I believe he himself said that, but I wonder if anyone else would have "done more" after reporting it?

This reeks of someone scape goating Penn State for reasons other than addressing the real problem.

I'm not minimizing the impact of what happened, but sometimes....maybe a lot of times.....there is no way to make up for a failure that unjustly affects others. Life happens and it ain't fair....tough stuff to live with, but a helluva lot of people have to do just that.

The whole thing sucks.....and I don't think Paterno got a fair shake in the deal.
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#774211 - 07/23/12 09:54 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ParaLeaks]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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He's dead, so he won't mind.
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#774216 - 07/23/12 10:03 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Dan S.]
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Some sensible some stupid... Fine the School, Ok. Fine and prosecute
any and all that knew and did nothing.
Don't penalize the students for the same connection to the crime as
to "original sin," that's ludicrous.
Don't destroy an educational system that has a lot of good things in
its' history.
The collateral damage is high already.

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#774218 - 07/23/12 10:08 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Illyrian]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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The message is certainly clear.

Don't facilitate the rape of children. If you do, the punishment will be severe.
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#774223 - 07/23/12 10:14 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Dan S.]
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Dan, what should the punishment be for teachers who screw their students?


Edited by Slab Happy (07/23/12 10:15 PM)
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#774224 - 07/23/12 10:15 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Dan S.]
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Trouble is, the message is way too late and addressed to a lot
of people that have no connection to the events.

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#774225 - 07/23/12 10:20 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Illyrian]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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I'm not sure what teachers screwing students has to do with the conversation, because that isn't what took place here.

The school facilitated the crime. Therefore the school is going to be called to the carpet for it. Is it fair that current students and players will suffer for it? Of course not, but it wasn't fair to the kids involved that the school swept it under the rug, either.

The current USC players are being punished for what occurred at SC when Reggie Bush was there. Not fair, but what do you propose they do...........punish Reggie Bush now?

It's NCAA justice, and that's the way it works.
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#774229 - 07/23/12 10:24 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Dan S.]
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OK....no argument....
I just don't like it.
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#774232 - 07/23/12 10:27 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Dan S.]
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Well let me see. If I was a PSU football player I could (1) stay and play (2) Transfer without sitting out a year (3) Not play football and continue to go to school on scholarship. Not really seeing much actual punishment for the players. I know getting a free education is such punishment. Have you watched PSU football in recent history? They were not going to go to a BCS game (or playoff now) and most of those guys are not 5 star recruits.
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#774254 - 07/23/12 11:16 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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I'm sure Pete would be intimidated by the NCAA.
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#774311 - 07/24/12 08:36 AM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ]
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What will the NCAA do with the $60 mil?
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#774322 - 07/24/12 11:29 AM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ]
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Since the joepa statue is now removed maybe it should be replaced with a statue for each victim that he looked away instead of doing something

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#774327 - 07/24/12 11:52 AM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Coho]
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Grown men representing an institution had the opportunity to save many kids from the torment of a monster. They made the wrong choice when there was only one choice to make. Absolutely no excuse. None.

Burn it to the ground, is what I would have done. They got off easy.
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#774341 - 07/24/12 01:12 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Dogfish]
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Sorry about the collateral damage, but that's the way it goes.

Many thousands of innocent spouses and children lose their meal ticket, spouse, and parent when criminals are jailed every day. It may not be fair, but that's the way it is.

Fish on...

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#774362 - 07/24/12 03:01 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Dogfish]
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Originally Posted By: Dogfish
Grown men representing an institution had the opportunity to save many kids from the torment of a monster. They made the wrong choice when there was only one choice to make. Absolutely no excuse. None.

Burn it to the ground, is what I would have done. They got off easy.


Totally agree DF!

Sundusky needs to burn (DanS?) grin

To bad joepa isnt alive to stand trial!!!
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#774422 - 07/24/12 07:43 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ]
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1 Rob Bolden QB 6-3 216 SO ORCHARD LAKE, MI
2 Shane McGregor QB 6-1 198 JR EBENSBURG, PA
3 Brandon Beachum RB 6-0 230 JR STRUTHERS, OH
4 Adrian Amos CB 6-0 205 FR BALTIMORE, MD
4 Evan Lewis WR 5-10 173 JR GETTYSBURG, PA
5 Bill Belton WR 5-10 206 FR SICKLERVILLE, NJ
5 Derrick Thomas CB 6-0 181 SO GREENBELT, MD
6 Gerald Hodges LB 6-2 234 JR PAULSBORO, NJ
7 Curtis Drake WR 5-11 173 SO PHILADELPHIA, PA
7 Stephen Obeng-Agyapong S 5-10 202 SO BRONX, NY
8 Allen Robinson WR 6-3 199 FR SOUTHFIELD, MI
9 Michael Zordich RB 6-1 241 JR CANFIELD, OH
10 Kevin Haplea TE 6-4 251 SO --
10 Malcolm Willis S 5-11 209 SO MARBURY, MD
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11 Matthew McGloin QB 6-1 211 JR SCRANTON, PA
12 John Cabot QB 6-4 204 FR SAN DIEGO, CA
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13 Paul Jones QB 6-3 242 FR MCKEES ROCKS, PA
14 Garrett Venuto QB 6-0 218 SO ITHACA, NY
14 Mike Wallace CB 5-9 193 SO SILVER SPRING, MD
15 Patrick Flanagan WR 5-8 147 FR STATE COLLEGE, PA
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16 Ryan Scherer WR 5-8 176 JR AVON LAKE, OH
17 Christian Kuntz WR 6-4 214 SO CAMP HILL, PA
18 Deion Barnes DE 6-4 245 FR PHILADELPHIA, PA
18 Andrew Goodman WR 6-0 197 JR PHILADELPHIA, PA
19 Justin Brown WR 6-3 214 JR WILMINGTON, DE
19 Matt Marcincin K 5-11 169 FR BETHLEHEM, PA
20 Devon Smith WR 5-7 155 JR WHITE PLAINS, MD
22 T.J. Rhattigan LB 5-10 193 FR NAPERVILLE, IL
23 Brian Friend WR 6-1 196 SO PITTSBURGH, PA
23 Ryan Keiser S 6-1 206 FR SELINSGROVE, PA
24 Derek Day RB 5-9 188 JR BELLEFONTE, PA
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26 Curtis Dukes RB 6-1 237 SO EVANS MILLS, NY
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27 Jacob Fagnano S 6-0 207 JR WILLIAMSPORT, PA
27 Tariq Tongue WR 5-8 165 SO FLUSHING, NY
28 Drew Astorino S 5-10 207 SR EDINBORO, PA
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30 John Hornyak DB 5-10 165 SR --
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32 Dakota Royer LB 6-1 233 FR LANCASTER, PA
33 Andre Dupree FB 5-10 253 SO WALDORF, MD
33 Michael Yancich TE 6-2 237 JR WASHINGTON, PA
35 Pat Zerbe FB 6-1 234 SO WEST LAWN, PA
36 Deron Thompson RB 5-10 189 FR LITITZ, PA
37 Joe Suhey RB 6-1 222 SR DEERFIELD, IL
38 Ben Kline LB 6-2 223 FR YORK, PA
39 Jesse Della Valle CB 6-1 185 FR PITTSBURGH, PA
40 Glenn Carson LB 6-3 239 FR MANAHAWKIN, NJ
40 Zach Zwinak RB 6-1 233 FR FREDERICK, MD
41 J.R. Refice DT 6-0 262 SO JESSUP, PA
42 Michael Mauti LB 6-2 242 JR MANDEVILLE, LA
43 Mike Hull LB 6-0 220 FR CANONSBURG, PA
44 Michael Fuhrman K 5-10 216 JR PITTSBURGH, PA
44 Bryce WIlson FB 6-3 247 SR --
45 Alex Butterworth P 5-10 206 SO INDIANAPOLIS, IN
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47 Jordan Hill DL 6-1 297 JR STEELTON, PA
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49 Shane Phillips WR 6-5 189 FR SAINT ALBANS, NY
51 Drew Boyce LB 6-1 227 FR OLATHE, KS
52 Chima Okoli OT 6-4 293 SR VIRGINIA BEACH, VA
53 Jon Rohrbaugh LS 6-0 215 SR ELLICOTT CITY, MD
54 Matt Stankiewitch C 6-3 299 JR ORWIGSBURG, PA
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57 Emery Etter K 6-1 211 SO CHAMBERSBURG, PA
58 Adam Gress OT 6-6 304 SO WEST MIFFLIN, PA
59 Pete Massaro DE 6-4 264 JR NEWTOWN SQUARE, PA
60 Ty Howle C 6-0 295 SO WAKE FOREST, NC
62 Frank Figueroa G 6-3 294 SO SAN ANTONIO, TX
64 John Urschel G 6-3 292 SO WILLIAMSVILLE, NY
65 Miles Dieffenbach C 6-3 291 FR PITTSBURGH, PA
66 Angelo Mangiro OL 6-3 287 FR SUCCASUNNA, NJ
68 Ryan Nowicki OL 6-5 292 FR GLENDALE, AZ
70 Nate Cadogan TE 6-5 277 SO PORTSMOUTH, OH
72 Khamrone Kolb G 6-5 317 FR BURKE, VA
73 Mark Arcidiacono G 6-4 284 SO HOLLAND, PA
75 Evan Hailes DT 6-1 303 FR CHESAPEAKE, VA
75 Eric Shrive G 6-6 297 SO SCRANTON, PA
76 Donovan Smith OT 6-5 313 FR OWINGS MILLS, MD
77 Patrick Christie OT 6-5 301 FR CARLISLE, PA
78 Mike Farrell OT 6-6 290 JR PITTSBURGH, PA
79 Kevin Blanchard OL 6-7 282 FR KATY, TX
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82 Brian Irvin TE 6-3 249 JR ORRTANNA, PA
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84 Kyle Baublitz DE 6-5 275 FR YORK, PA
84 Matt Lehman TE 6-7 247 SO NEWPORT, PA
85 Brandon Moseby-Felder WR 6-2 191 SO FORT WASHINGTON, MD
86 C.J. Olaniyan DE 6-3 249 FR WARREN, MI
87 Kyle Carter TE 6-3 243 FR BEAR, DE
88 J.D. Mason TE 6-4 247 JR PHILIPSBURG, PA
89 Garry Gilliam TE 6-6 275 SO CARLISLE, PA
90 Sean Stanley DE 6-1 246 JR ROCKVILLE, MD
91 DaQuan Jones DL 6-3 312 SO JOHNSON CITY, NY
92 Anthony Alosi DT 6-4 292 FR MARLTON, NJ
93 James Terry DT 6-3 317 JR NEW CASTLE, DE
95 Carl Nassib DE 6-6 236 FR MALVERN, PA
96 Cody Castor DT 6-3 290 JR UNIONTOWN, PA
97 Sam Ficken K 6-3 177 FR VALPARAISO, IN
97 Luke Graham DT 6-4 283 FR HARRISON CITY, PA
98 Anthony Zettel DT 6-5 259 FR WEST BRANCH, MI

These young men are victims of the Sandusky scandal, too. The UW should show its compassionate side and help as many of them out as possible.
A couple offensive linemen and two, or three, defensive players... is that asking too much? GO DAWGS!

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#774734 - 07/25/12 06:15 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ]
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They are putting the Paterno statue back up, they're just gonna make it look the other way.
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#774747 - 07/25/12 07:29 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: EnglishPete]
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Originally Posted By: EnglishPete
They are putting the Paterno statue back up, they're just gonna make it look the other way.


nicely done! rofl
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#775297 - 07/28/12 11:31 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ]
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Yep....they're screwed.
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