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#777337 - 08/07/12 10:46 AM Here's your Man of Conviction
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This guy has zero convictions, other than his conviction to get elected President. You'd have to be crazy to believe anything this guy says about anything at all, much less think this guy has convictions or morals.



This is the stuff that will get him destroyed in the upcoming debates.

"Governor Romney, were you lying then, or are you lying now?"

Fish on...

Todd

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#777338 - 08/07/12 10:51 AM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: Todd]
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And...that video is from nine months ago...I'm sure he's done it enough since then for another entire video of him making it up as he goes along.

Now I'm not saying that he's the only poliitician who does stuff like that, say one thing and mean another, but this guy takes it to such a higher level as to be in a league of his own.

He thinks that the voters are actually stupid enough to ignore that he changes his mind on every single important issue at the drop of a hat.

The sad thing is that he's right...there are a ton of voters who are indeed just stupid enough to do just that.

Fish on...

Todd

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#777341 - 08/07/12 11:05 AM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: Todd]
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That may all be true Todd, but you need to stop and ask yourself.........
Does he have any daughters?

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#777349 - 08/07/12 11:30 AM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: ]
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Think what you will...but for God's sake don't keep saying that Romney has any sort of convictions or morals, that's demonstrably untrue...and anything he says now that you like, be prepared for him to flip on it as soon as it is politically expedient.

Fish on...

Todd

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#777350 - 08/07/12 11:30 AM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: ]
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I'm glad to see that you've ramped up your Romney bootlickin' again Aunty... you go girl! thumbs rofl
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#777353 - 08/07/12 11:35 AM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: ]
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Obama..Man of Conviction rofl





His "stimulus" plan worked out pretty well grin


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#777354 - 08/07/12 11:36 AM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: 4Salt]
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Just how transparent is Obama's administration? Hasn't he broken more than just a few promises? So when is he closing GITMO's detention facility?

Not the biggest fan of Romney at all. Probably throw my vote to Ron Paul again, but your almost rabid attacks on Romney, and your blindness of the faults of Obama is disappointing.
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#777355 - 08/07/12 11:42 AM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: Dogfish]
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I'm not blind to Obama's faults, not at all...unlike Republicans, we progressives find fault with "our" politicians all the time.

There's nothing rabid about talking about Romney's total lack of integrity...Marsha seems to relish talking about how great his morals and convictions are, so I'm just reminding her that he actually has none at all.

Fish on...

Todd

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#777365 - 08/07/12 12:29 PM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd
I'm not blind to Obama's faults, not at all...unlike Republicans, we progressives find fault with "our" politicians all the time.

There's nothing rabid about talking about Romney's total lack of integrity...Marsha seems to relish talking about how great his morals and convictions are, so I'm just reminding her that he actually has none at all.

Fish on...

Todd


I find it quite humorous that we all talk about someone's integrity and moral compass as if we have actually met these folks and know them personally. Morality, character, etc. is very important in selecting a candidate to back but at the end of the day it is pretty difficult to ascertain this type of info as every politician's camp heavily filters what we get to know and see. One can definitely study a candidates previous track records though on economic and social issues and get a pretty clear picture of what a candidate really thinks and does. If socially progressive issues are your cup of tea, then Obama is your guy. If you really want someone who has a clue about economic issues and how to run a major corporation effectively then Romney is a clear winner here and at the end of the day I would rather have a legit shot to make a decent living and have a couple bucks in my pocket as opposed to whether or not Jack and Jeff or Sally and Mary can get legally married. Is there a perfect candidate here? Nope. Is there ever? Nope.

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#777369 - 08/07/12 12:39 PM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: DBAppraiser]
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As I've said before, a country is not a corporation, and a President is not a corporate CEO, and since that is Romney's single qualification I find him to be singularly unqualified to be President.

Fish on...

Todd

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#777371 - 08/07/12 12:43 PM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: Todd]
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And...I probably should rephrase comments about Romney's morals...as I can't say what he does or does not have so far as morality goes.

Convictions, however, he has none...at least not on any important issues that he's ever talked about since he changes his views as often as he changes venues to talk about them.

Fish on...

Todd

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#777372 - 08/07/12 12:45 PM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: DBAppraiser]
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Romney = (GW - a soul)

If you want the Gubmint run like a corp then get ready for the largest ass reaming of your life.
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#777377 - 08/07/12 12:53 PM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: AuntyM
A$$ reaming is preferred over bankruptcy.


Unless, of course, you're Mitt Romney talking about the big three automakers and Detroit, in which case bankruptcy is preferable to the millions of jobs that depend on that auto industry.

Fish on...

Todd

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#777383 - 08/07/12 01:05 PM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: AuntyM
A$$ reaming is preferred over bankruptcy.


I doubt it. That old constitution is at odds with the new Corporate mentality and would have to go. Can't have employees feeling like they have rights and such.
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#777384 - 08/07/12 01:07 PM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: Todd]
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Obama’s Big, Fat Fib about Romney’s Auto Bankruptcy


By Henry Payne

February 14, 2012 1:43 P.M.

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Here comes the GOP primary, Michigan edition. And with it, media misinformation.

Exhibit A is the fiction that Mitt Romney “was willing to let (the American auto industry) just die” as President Obama repeatedly puts it in speeches — uncorrected by his MSM allies. Michigan is crucial to Obama’s fall reelection and Romney is a formidable obstacle. Solidifying a narrative that the GOP challenger is anti-autos is crucial, not just to mobilizing blue-collar voters but also swing, white collar voters whose jobs were saved by government intervention.

“Just like Mitt Romney, who wanted Detroit to go bankrupt, Newt Gingrich opposed the rescue loan that saved the U.S. auto industry and 1.4 million American jobs,” Obama spokesman Clark Pettig told the Detroit News this weekend.

Huh? Both Romney and Obama advocated bankruptcy for GM and Chrysler.

Both agreed on a “managed bankruptcy,” meaning the government would maintain financial lines of credit, honoring contracts in bankruptcy so that suppliers would keep operating. “A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs,” Romney wrote in a 2008 New York Times op-ed that has been willfully distorted by Obama and his media minions.

Where Obama and Romney disagreed was on what type of bankruptcy.

Obama took GM and Chrysler into Chapter 363 — a creative interpretation of the bankruptcy code that sought to avoid the traditional Chapter 11 process so that the White House could dictate terms to favor preferred constituencies like Big Labor. The result was thuggish tactics (as reported by this scribe and largely ignored by Obama’s media allies) that threatened bondholders and shorted pension investors. While Chapter 363 bankruptcy allowed the automakers to emerge quickly from bankruptcy, it was hugely controversial in the legal community.

The government is “end-running the Chapter 11 process” by structuring the bankruptcies as sales, bankruptcy expert and UCLA Law Professor Lynn LoPucki told CFO magazine in June, 2009. Chapter 363 allowed both companies to get rid of liabilities without getting approval from their creditors. “It’s improper, because creditors are not getting the legal procedure allowed to them by Congress,” said LoPucki, who also teaches at Harvard, and who I sourced repeatedly during the Detroit bankruptcies.

By contrast, Romney opposed the initial “bailout” transfusions of cash from both the Bush and Obama administrations that kow-towed to unions and postponed crucial restructurings. He advocated immediately taking the companies into Chapter 11 via a managed bankruptcy, allowing management, creditors, and unions to work out terms while the government protected credit lines at a time when private credit markets were frozen. The result would likely have been more sustainable companies in the long haul — not Obama’s UAW bailout.

“Whether it was by President Bush or by President Obama, it was the wrong way to go,” Romney said at the Michigan presidential debate November. “The idea of billions of dollars being wasted initially, then finally they adopted the managed bankruptcy. I was among others that said we ought to do that.”

“Instead of a bailout, I favored ‘managed bankruptcy’ as the way forward. The course I recommended was eventually followed,” writes Romney in his Detroit News op-ed, correcting the record repeatedly distorted by the MSM. “But something else happened along the way that was truly egregious. By the spring of 2009, instead of the free market doing what it dos best, we got a major taste of crony capitalism, Obama-style.”

“I favored ‘managed bankruptcy’ as the way forward.” So much for the fiction of letting them “just die.” But in an election year, the MSM prefers Obama’s fiction to fact
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#777385 - 08/07/12 01:09 PM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: ]
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If you were a union worker, the auto bailout worked out pretty well for you. If not, things went south.

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#777387 - 08/07/12 01:13 PM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: Hankster]
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Hmmm, let's all guess how Romney would handle this crap:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/record-penalties-fraud-few-charges-193803635.html
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#777388 - 08/07/12 01:15 PM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: ]
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...and after giving GM and Chrysley huge amounts of taxpayer dollars they still WENT THRU BANKRUPTCY.

Last I checked GM and Chrysler are still making automobiles even after BANKRUPTCY.

So much for Todds' bullchit, spin and lies. Todds' always been full of chit and I don't expect that to change soon. It's funny that Todd talks about morals and convictions because he wouldn't know either of those even if they ran up and bit him on his ass.
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#777391 - 08/07/12 01:26 PM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: RowVsWade]
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Fiat owns the majority share of Chrysler and just bought our gubmint's 6% share and the Canadian gubmint's 1.5% share. That means our gubmint will only lose $1.3 billion if Old Chrysler doesn't pay us back. An additional $75 million payment ($15 million of which is paid to Canada) also gives Fiat the right to ultimately purchase the 41.5% stake held by the United Auto Workers’ VEBA retiree health trust. If it does so, it will own the automaker outright.
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#777443 - 08/07/12 04:45 PM Re: Here's your Man of Conviction [Re: Hankster]
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Just like how no President has been re-elected with an unemployment rate so high, none of those presidents had such a dumb opponent, I think Obama will take this hand over fist.
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