The Republican ticket appears to be upside down....



My father wasn’t a big hunter, but some of his friends were, and (they) were the ones who took me out and were my mentors,” said Ryan. “I started with rabbits, ducks and pheasant before getting into deer hunting. I worked mowing lawns when I was a kid to save money to buy a shotgun and bought a Browning BPS 20-gauge for pheasants. I still have it.”

Ryan admits his hunting schedule has taken a hit thanks to adult life.

“I hunted more before we had kids, and then after that it dropped off quite a bit. I’ll schedule some morning hunts on weekends when I can and then work in the afternoons if I have to or will be with the family. During the firearms season, I’ll take a little more time to schedule some trips. I’ll hunt with my pistol in the morning from my bow stands, and then rifle hunt in the afternoons with one of our kids. We have some two-man ladder stands, and (the children) really enjoy going with me. I bought our daughter a Winchester Model 70 in .243 for Christmas so she can start hunting with me. Wisconsin lowered the hunting age, and she’s excited. The kids love hunting and being with me in the stand. We have a great time.”

At the end of the interview, Ryan is asked, “Do they ever serve venison at the Capitol?”

“No, they don’t. But at home I prepare my own venison and sausage. I have some big chest freezers in the basement for my pheasants, ducks, deer and other game. My family is used to eating wild game. But they don’t in D.C. That’s foreign to them.”







Ryan also has an A rating from the National Rifle Association. Among other pro-gun legislation, he voted “yes” on the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which prohibits reckless lawsuits against firearms manufacturers; “yes” on National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity; “yes” on the D.C. Personal Protection Act to grant gun rights to Washington, D.C. residents; and “yes” on the Affordable Reloaded Munitions Supply Act to rescind the ban on sales of used military brass to civilians.


Me thinks he has a tad more hunting & gun handling skills than that embarassment to our sport Dick Cheney.

Me thinks you have that Cheney bit right on.

Yep Ole dead eye Dick, quite the hunter he is!


Fishy

Biden with the mid-sentence tea baggin

Biden is an angry asshat

I liked Ryan's response to Uncle Joe busting out the 47% comment of Romneys: "I'm sure the VP knows that the words don't always come out right."

I'm sure the intelligence community loved being thrown under the bus by VP Biden early on in the debate too.

Who cares about the abortion issue chuckarooni ? 23 million people are out of work we have a mountain of debt to worry about. Abortion is in the courts and will bounce around for another generation what Romney and Obama think about it are moot.

Biden tosses the intel under the bus on Labia but said ghey will make the correct call on Iran and the bomb. He is the tool shed not just a tool.

AM it will come down to women voters and we know how they think. Which one would you shag?

Women have their minds made up on abortion and could care less right now what their opinion Is. They know the price of food , energy and everything else in their life has gone through the roof in the past 4 years and will continue if nothing is done. The ones that put the abortion issue in front of that suck.

So you are ok with women smoking drinking and doing drugs while they are pregnant? You would never tell a woman slamming tequila shots in a bar with a baby bump what you think?

What people think is right and wrong is the basis of all of our laws. When something is a hot potato all if the sudden they want to go neutral. I say chuckles is full if shat I say if chuckles little girl is in the stirrups and he has seen his grand kids heart beat I guarantee you he has an opinion and he voices it.

Bonemeal said twice that the presidents number one responsibility is the defense of the US and the troops. It is not his number one responsibility is to uphold the constitution. He does not even know what he is supposed to be doing.

Biden is a seasoned politician of many years, his presentation came across exactly as it should have, minus the sneers and smirks.
The substance of what the two men discussed will unlikely change the minds of those locked into their firm political beliefs.
Again, I believe Biden scored on sheer presentation.
Ryan's inexperience was visible IMHO.

All the gop WH candidates over the last 30 years have had the same position on abortion.
Single women favor democrats. Married women favor republicans. Abortion has dropped in importance to voters. In order for it to become an issue, Democrats like Stephanopolis began challenging republicans during the primaries, out of the blue. First about birth control. The only one who fell for it was Santorum. Democrats dont want to lose the Scotus decision, because then the states would have the right to make their own laws. That doesnt fit in centralize govt control. Neither does the 10th amendment, or religious freedom. Hense 501c3 churches are breaking the law on purpose, so they can go to court and get a ruling. LBJ sponsored the amendment to restrict political speech on 501C3 orgs.

If romney or ryan, rolled on the abortion position, the church go'ers would stay home and they would lose. If your base stays home, it doesnt matter what you pick up in the middle. Democrats dont normally cross over on abortion. They just focus on other issues.

If the republican party would soften their stance on one single issue, abortion, they would see a much higher level of support across the country.

I know it is a simplistic view, but if they were to acknowledge that Row V Wade is the law of the land, that there is little chance (none) of changing it, and that it is a private decision to be left up to each individual they would capture many of the folks in the middle like me.

What turns me off to the R party has beens this slow growth of religious chest pounding over time, which generally leads to the abortion topic. Religion should be a private matter that stays in one's own home. Abortion should be the same. Nobody is forcing anyone to get abortions, or to be a certain religion. Sadly the current party leadership is too stupid to realize this.

So if a candidate came along and had all the answers to the countries problems and could fix it all you would not vote for him if he was pro life and overtly religious? I have yet to see either issue effect a presidency either way but everyone is paranoid about it.

It has not hurt presidential candidates, but it does slim down the choices being offered. Some posters just need to admit that people with deep faith, see abortion as murder and do not believe woman should have the choice to murder an unborn child. Especially with public money and especially when the child could survive outside the womb. Republicans lose votes from Christians who oppose abortion, under any circumstances.
You cannot please everyone. It also shows, that one issue voters will sacrifice many other issues, as long as the single issue is supported.
I guess if abortion is more important than your level of income, then you should vote for democrats. Higher taxes and more regulation are the cost of that position.

Joe Biden was disrespectful to the moderator, Paul Ryan and the debate process……Looked and sounded just like the angry liberal that he is. I know he had to come out strong after the failure of the Obomination, but at least respect the process.

The problem with religion and politics isn't so much that the Republicans are 'chest pounding' it's that the democrats have become so anti-religion. The dems' militant anti-religion stance has taken over the party and just the mere mention of God throws them into seizures.

I don't expect an atheist to pray with me but I also won't allow them to silence me. Their right not to believe DOES NOT trump my right TO believe.

Back on topic my 10 yr old son watched a little of the debate and commented what a disrespectful jerk Biden appeared. He thought laughing at the other guy (Ryan) and interupting would not be tolerated in his classroom.

You guys actually watched that crap? Were you aware there was MLB playoffs on at the same time?


I agree...their platform is old, rickety, and outdated; it needs to be rebuilt if they hope to win another election. The next generation is going to tolerate these prehistoric stances even less than ours.

Ike

So a presidential election again comes down to the national interests of abortion, gay rights, and who goes hunting the most. Is it really any wonder the country is in a mess?

Yes, Ryan really screwed up with his response on abortion. How arrogant to think that the national law on abortion should be made by middle aged men (Congress) who never have had, never will have, nor never could have, an abortion.

This attribute of telling other people how to live continues to get in the way of solving the problems that are of real national interest. It could be so simple. If you want an abortion, have one. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. If you're gay and want to marry someone of the same sex, go ahead; I don't care, and it's none of my business. And if you want to go hunting, go hunting. If you don't want to go hunting, buy meat at the grocery store. It could be that simple. If people weren't so wound up about telling other people how to live.

Why over simplify the complexities of the election. Those are single issue voters. Economy is always the first consideration. You have misread Ryan. Overturning Roevwade, will allow the states to make those decisions. Perhaps states rights are only important when you agree with the issue. Roe, was decided in the supreme court, not congress. How many women were on that court? Incase you forget, a major proponent of abortion was Margaret Sanger. Look her up.

This attribute is shared by individuals on both sides. Your toilet, the size of your soft drink and what you pack in a school lunch are now fare game to those on the left. Some of it is rooted in common sense, but you consistently choose the party with larger government intervention in our lives. Preaching libertarian and voting democrat, will change nothing.

If they had all of the answers, I would likely overlook their religion as an issue. I'm an agnostic, not an atheist. I actually applaud Romney's actions that he takes on as a part of his faith. I think the whole idea of Mormonism is silly, and religion in general, but some people use their religion as a way to guide them through life and make the right choices. Good for them. Many folks are good people in general, without going to church or joining an organized religion. Others use religion as a crutch, many folks do actually, using it as a way to look down on others, and some of the most dishonest folks I've ever known (pastors included) come out with, "I'm a Christian...." as one of their first lines in a conversation. I tend to distrust them from that point on.

I generally tend to lean right, but an issue such as abortion, pro-life or pro choice, isn't a deal breaker for me. I'm snipped. The likelihood of overturning Row V Wade is so minute that to make it a major campaign issue is laughable. Really, the possibility of overturning Row V Wade has such a low probability of being reversed, as in 1 in a billion. A republican could simply say, "Row V Wade is the law of the land, it is what we live with today, but if you are pro-life, then don't get an abortion." Done and difused.

You can have an opinion, but the insistance of tilting at the windmill of abortion is one thing that the Republican party could slightly alter their stance on, state reality (it won't be changed), and they would gather a lot of folks in the middle. There are more folks in the middle at this point in time than any other time as both parties get more and more extreme.

Joad...

Exactly!


Fishy

DF , Who are you calling the middle moderate conservatives and democrats ? I believe recent surveys show moderates as a group have been shrinking since 1992. So that counters your statement that removing an issue from a platform will cause that platform to grow. I would guess that for every moderate they would pick up 5 conservatives would leave if RVW was dropped. It would be the same for the democrats if they gay issue was dropped by the party.

Secondly RVW may not be repealed but it is harder than ever since it passed to get an abortion in the US. Some sates it is impossible.

Personally I think that they are state rights issues .


Chuckarooni piggy backing on someone else's thoughts is not thinking . You are rarely right on any issue and if you have any evidence that the middle is growing show your work. Otherwise get your nose out of DFs underwear .

What I don't understand is if the religious right is against abortion and think it's murder, why do they give allowances for rape, incest and health of the mother? Is it because if it's an unwanted pregnancy it makes the definition of what they think is murder different? Seems a little like a double standard. Leave it in your god's hands.

Chuckle everything is personal choice some things have legal consequences attached if you make the personal choice to take part in the activity. Murder for example the is nothing preventing you from killing someone if you are willing to accept the legal consequences. I could care less if one person agrees with me unlike you I am not motivated by how many friends I have on Facebook.

Does the R party want to win, or not? If the R party takes a step to the middle where would the ultra conservative folks go? Nowhere.

Does the R party want to win, or not? If the R party takes a step to the middle where would the ultra conservative folks go? Nowhere.

Want a chance at picking up swing states?

The ultra conservatives about 10 to 15 % of registered repubs would stay home . The swing accounts for about 10% of the caters and I doubt that stance would swing 100% of them.

You really are out of touch with how the world works.

What I can't understand is how a party can on one hand support abortion rights, totally ignoring a developing human being's chance at life, but on the other hand scream at the top of their lungs when a terrorist is water boarded in order to obtain information that may lead to saving lives.

Prove me wrong, substitute weed for abortion and Romney would lose the entire Bible Belt.

DBA, tell you what, I'll think about what you've presented and come up with my opinion if you'll do the same and clarify what I am assuming as your parties stance. What do you say?

LOL. No Chit

Ok, so you're saying Biden was incorrect but that the plan Romney/Ryan are proposing has been done before and didn't work? Hmmmm.

You could ask John McCain or Bush 41. They either stayed home, or they voted for the democrat. A lot of very rich republicans voted for Obama. They didnt help Bob Dole out. Some even voted for Perot.

The rich can wait out most presidents. Its just four years. Really bad presidents lose power in two. Clinton and Obama.

Some conservatives can be just as picky or petty as some Ron Paul voters.

WTF where you during the 80's. The IRS took in a lot more money. They took in more money during Bush 43 as well. And for some reason, Democrats lick the lips and think higher is better or higher is more fare, but at the same time, they catch Kerry with a Yacht in another state, dodging taxes, Richard Gephart exercising his tax loopholes advantages and Charlie Rangel, who failed to disclose rental income, from his villa in the Dominican Republic.

What is interesting about Biden, Gore and Obama. They all want to help the little guy, but according to various years of their tax returns, they gave very few dollars to charity. They want other wealthy people to give to the little guy.

I watched the debate.
Now I'm asking myself, "Why?"

Four pages into this.........(by my screen, anyway).......and I read it.......again, "Why?"

We already took the quiz.

I finally found something you said that makes sense.

Lets work through this aka. The premise is that if a conservative running for president drops his pro life stance that he will pick up enough moderate votes to win. Given that most politicians would sell there soul to gain office why has no conservative tried it? Given the most believe that corporations own politicians why has no corp forced this strategy? It is a libertarian position why has no libertarian been elected as president? Why has no mastermind conservative election boss put forth such s platform with such a genius plan? Could it be that the conservative base would revolt and not support such a candidate? Why did Romney have to move from the middle further right if the moderates have so much power? Honestly the premise gives the moderates of the party more power than the tea party. The answer is simple its a stupid fukin idea.

The Self-Destruction of the 1 Percent


IN the early 14th century, Venice was one of the richest cities in Europe. At the heart of its economy was the colleganza, a basic form of joint-stock company created to finance a single trade expedition. The brilliance of the colleganza was that it opened the economy to new entrants, allowing risk-taking entrepreneurs to share in the financial upside with the established businessmen who financed their merchant voyages.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/opinio...tml?hp&_r=0


Fishy

We dont have anything like that. Except for the political class, which isnt completely invincible.

Are you suggesting a we dont have the ability to move up?

I'm suggesting that you read the article. Draw your own conclusions as to where we stand at this given time and to where we're headed and I'll do the same.


Fishy

The Vice Presidential Debate: Joe Biden Was Right to Laugh

So much of the Romney/Ryan plan is so absurdly junior league, it's so far off-Broadway, it's practically in New Jersey.

Paul Ryan, a leader in the most aggressively and mindlessly partisan Congress in history, preaching bipartisanship? A private-equity parasite, Mitt Romney, who wants to enact a massive tax cut and pay for it without touching his own personal fortune-guaranteeing deduction, the carried-interest tax break – which keeps his own taxes below 15 percent despite incomes above $20 million?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blo...-laugh-20121012

This would be laughable if it were not happening to us.


Fishy

The reasons Biden was an clown. You cant defend your record, so do whatever you can to take your opponent off his train of thought and distract the audience long enough, they cannot determine, whether the opponent is knowledgable, credible and capable of being president, based on the content of the answers. Biden interrupted 82 times during the debate. Attacking your opponent relieves you of the time you have to defend your position and your actions.

ABC is spending the majority of its message, this morning, trying to convince voters, the debates dont really matter.

So Romney pays $3 million in federal income tax, do you actually think that he got his moneys worth in government services? Or has he helped support thousands of poor with that pitiful amount of money?

The fed bailed Bain out and he has dodged taxes by offshoring money that he made in this country.
I have heard it asked "why should I worry about what Mitt does with his money while President Obama spends ours", but my question is if he wants to lead this country then he should be crystal clear with what he has made and where he has that money, cause if he can't do that then I do not trust him with our countries finances.
He should pay the same tax that any of the working stiffs pay since this is his income!

Fishy

I notice you did not say a thing about off-shoring cash to avoid taxes from business here in the US.

Bain was bailed out by the Fed and Mitty profited from bankrupting companies and running up their debt.

If we tax those people under the poverty level, as some here propose, then we should damn well tax those that make their income from investments as income!

Don't forget to "Save Big Bird"

Fishy

You do realize that dividends for the most part are after tax income, paid out by the company. Im not sure if you understand, that many mutual funds have a percentage of foreign investments, as well as many companies list on the various stock exchanges are located in foreign countries. In addition, Romneys investments are in a blind trust and he is not in charge of his own investment portfolio.

A lot of Obama cabinet has overseas investment too. Obamas own blind trust is likely to have some foreign investments.
Eventually, you pay taxes over there or over here or both.

I did a google search on Romney

romney ryan yard sign free, is the number one search
Romney
Romney 2012
Romney for president
Romney lates news.

Noone has even typed in Romney overseas investments.

"You give a blind trust rules"

Otherwise Obama would be running his trust as well. They all would.

http://www.wilmingtontrust.com/wtcom/index.jsp?fileid=3000311


If you have evidence that romney is breaking the law, then call the IRS. Otherwise, its just petty class envy.


http://beginnersinvest.about.com/od/investingglossary/g/blind-trust.htm

Bain capital acquired company's, saddled them with debt to pay outrageous bonuses and management fee's and under funded their pensions plans which had to be bailed out by the PBGC, which has come under financial duress.

"How Romney’s Firm Drove Steel Plant Into Bankruptcy, But Still Profited Thanks To Federal Bailout

"What’s more, a federal government insurance agency had to pony up $44 million to bail out the company’s underfunded pension plan. Nevertheless, Bain profited on the deal, receiving $12 million on its $8 million initial investment and at least $4.5 million in consulting fees."


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/01/06/399117/romney-bain-federal-bailout/?mobile=nc

Fishy

Special report: Romney's steel skeleton in the Bain closet




The story of Bain's failed investment in the Kansas City mill offers a perspective on a largely overlooked chapter in Romney's business record: His firm's brush with a U.S. bailout.

His supporters say the pension gap at the Kansas City mill was an unforeseen consequence of a falling stock market and adverse market conditions. But records show that the mill's Bain-backed management was confronted several times about the fund's shortfall, which, in the end, required an infusion of funds from the federal Pension Benefits Guarantee Corp.

The Kansas City millworkers, meanwhile, are still fuming, after being left with no health benefits and a reduced pension check.

"Romney cost me lots and lots of sleepless nights and lots and lots of money," said Ed Stanger, who worked at the plant for nearly 30 years.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/06/us-campaign-romney-bailout-idUSTRE8050LL20120106

Fishy

Chuck----Not standing for anything and throwing out a JFC or a.... .....doesn't make make you deep thinker.

In fact you're starting to look like a middle of the road kiss as.s that stands for nothing but tries to be popular.

Up the revolution....they're all scum...[Bleeeeep!] the establishment....it's all Bush/Clinton/Gore/Carter/Regan/Fords' fault is not being a deep thinker. It might gain you points with the large crowd of [Bleeeeep!].ing idiots here...but it just makes you another phu.cking idiot.

F.uck.....Fu.ck....Fuc.k.

Ph.uck....Phu.ck....Phuc.k.

T.est...te.st...tes.t.

Oh yeah and this is what I said;

"If we tax those people under the poverty level, as some here propose, then we should damn well tax those that make their income from investments as income!"

Save Big Bird!


Fishy

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JFC

If a reporter wants to write a financial hit piece, the least he could do is to provide sources of his article. There is no verifiable proof here, that what is written is true. Most books have footnotes, this article doesnt even have a written reference.

Dave, Soptic is the guy who was featured in an ad that inferred that Romney was responsible for his wifes undiagnosed cancer. It was later disclosed that she had work and insurance for about six years after the mill closed. She was later laid off from her job and then later discovered the cancer. Stephanie Cutter of the Obama campaign LIED about haveing anything to do with the pac ad. A tape of a conference call was released, with cutter and soptic on the line.
But you want us to believe liars that Romney is responsible for the wifes death. Im not even sure that Romney was involved with Bain at the time. These are really old articles. The reserection of Barack Obama isnt possible.

I Do....and I love you.

Actually, Chuck, I think you're probably a good dude. I tend to not convey that sentiment apropriately. Dans and you are easy targets...but undoudtetly good guys.

I'm much nicer in person................

Steven Kaplan, a University of Chicago professor of entrepreneurship and finance, describes Bain's track record under Romney as "fantastic," even if some ventures ended in failure.

"You don't do this by just squeezing out costs. Those kinds of returns only come from growth," he said. "Yes, they had some bad investments, I guess in the same way presidents make some bad calls."



Bain showed a remarkable knack for turning a profit. A prospectus from the year 2000 obtained by the Los Angeles Times shows that the buyout firm delivered an average annual return on investment of 88 percent between its founding in 1984 and the end of 1999.



At its peak in 1970, the Kansas City plant, then owned by Armco Steel Corp, employed 4,500 people. Poor market conditions forced a wave of layoffs in the early 1980s and led the company to prune its product line


GS Industries declared bankruptcy on February 7, 2001, and said it would shut down the Kansas City plant, eliminating 750 jobs.


So 3750 jobs were lost in the 1980's but the 750 jobs lost in 2001 are a huge deal?

Turing a profit is not the same as being a good company especially if part of the profit cripples the business they are preying on.

Any job lost to increase the bottom line so that management can collect bonuses is unconscionable no matter the decade!

They still ran the pension fund into the ground and caused declines in income of the people who worked there, some for life.


Mitt may not be a bad guy, but with his elusive and cryptic financial dealings I do not trust him with our countries finances.

Fishy

Ahh you got me on a mistake, early in the AM and not enough coffee.

Cute try though...

Fishy

I won't begin to explain my life to you, suffice to say that when I want to hit that early bite I sure can and yes it's great to be retired!

But you won't find me on here all day every day so have at it, got things to do....


Fishy

Ryan in hot water for photo op at soup kitchen

Ryan and his wife put on aprons and washed several pans that already appeared to be clean, and then were off to the airport

“The photo op they did wasn’t even accurate. He did nothing. He just came in here to get his picture taken at the dining hall.”

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/10/15/ryan-in-hot-water-for-photo-op-at-soup-kitchen/

Fishy

Were they homeless people in a soup line working at a solar panel shop?


Fishy

Not at the time.

I'm sure Romney has a plan to put them all to work if we just the the "job creators" another tax break, course there has to be demand before those jobs can be created but he sure does sound good.


Fishy

Course if he was some liberal we would have seen it copied and pasted all over from some old guy with nothing better to do than believe his online persona is an absolute!



Fishy

The only thing that's funny is the amount of time you spend on here with your continuous diatribe and blather.

Most of the rest of us go outside and live life on a daily basis, you seem to live to be on here.

Pretty sad.

Fishy

Typical libby.......Was it AM that said something about the blackest utensil/spoon?

Very sad.

Look at the post count and the amount of time spent on here, that is what is very sad.

Fishy

Not talking about you at all, I was talking about Hank and how he seems to be able to irradiate people all the while blathering this or that on everything GOP.

I have no liberal fanaticism but only try and give another example to the constant diatribe given on here by the Repubs.

And as for being nasty that sure is the kettle calling the pot black. After almost every comment that may not coincide with yours there always seems to be a smarmy little comment, like we can't disagree without the name calling, finger pointing or childish behavior.

I've dealt with enough foolishness today, I'm out.

Fishy

Wrong, I have called for centrist ideals and have been struck down for those as well. I don't follow any one persons posts but I do take a little more effort with Hank as he is a self proclaimed "Irritant"

I could care less if you think I was addressing you, I find most of your posts mundane and snarky with little appeal than to call someone names and to create miasma.

And just because this is the dark side does not mean we should all step into the gutter.

Fishy