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#821945 - 02/11/13 02:57 AM Drones strikes on US soil?
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http://m.now.msn.com/christopher-dorner-is-first-drone-target-on-us-soil

Your thoughts?

Not a fan or Dorner, and I'm all for him seeing the insides of a body bag, but I would prefer that they make every attempt to positively ID him before they let the missiles loose. Two trucks are already dead. How many more trucks need to die?
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#821946 - 02/11/13 03:02 AM Re: Drones strikes on US soil? [Re: Dogfish]
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wow, another something i said was gonna happen probably.. yet i gets no love... come on maaaaan.....

yeah hes a killer, yeah, hes an asshole for what hes doing, but, he just wants to be heard....

the LAPD created this, they should deal with it... it was only a matter of time.... NYPD will probably be next....

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#821949 - 02/11/13 03:24 AM Re: Drones strikes on US soil? [Re: ]
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The language was specifically sensationalist in that article. As a drone target it means they are looking for him with one, not flying around armed with 4 hellfires ready to blast any hit on a FLIR. If I were searching for a man in Wilderness and had one at my disposal it would be a useful tool in the quiver.
Now that I think about Drones in that capacity I could agree that rural search and rescue would be an acceptable use case scenario & something I'd vote for. Urban operations or god forbid using one as judge, jury and executioner is wrong and shouldn't be allowed anywhere.

Ask the 1000's of people killed in collateral or by mistaken identity in the mid-east.
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#821958 - 02/11/13 08:48 AM Re: Drones strikes on US soil? [Re: Sky-Guy]
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I agree with Sky-Guy 100%.

We already use IR cameras in choppers.......what's the diff?
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#821977 - 02/11/13 12:15 PM Re: Drones strikes on US soil? [Re: ]
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Sky-Guy nailed it. Drones can / could be a very useful tool; they just need to be used responsibly and with MASSIVE over-sight.

The only thing that bothers me about the Dorner deal is the cost of manpower to an already broke state (and Federal government). I highly doubt such a large scale search (and huge reward) would be conducted if Dorner just killed regular ol' citizens. How many less citizens with real needs are being served when virtually every cop is on the hunt?
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#821985 - 02/11/13 01:39 PM Re: Drones strikes on US soil? [Re: ]
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Excellent points FP. I've thought more about what you have said and it makes clear sense (at least to me). Likewise, I think your spider hole theory is spot on and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that his truck location was a well planned bait and switch.

While I don't like the situation; think the guy is a true nut (as opposed to a "hero" to some) and am not a fan of the LAPD....it will be interesting to watch how long it plays out and how it will ultimately end.
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#821997 - 02/11/13 02:43 PM Re: Drones strikes on US soil? [Re: ]
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Taking out US citizens who work with Al Qaeda is OK by me, since AQ exists for the sole purpose of destroying the US. That makes it a pro-active defensive action. Wow, I sound like Rumsfeld and Cheney . . . Using drones should be tempered by the collateral damage that can occur. We ain't winning many popularity points in the ME for that oversight. Drone strikes on US soil should be a no-go, since the US does have jurisdiction, can obtain search warrants, etc. The reasons for using drones in Yemen and Pakistan don't exist inside the US.

As for Dorner, I don't condone his action, but I wonder, what if his claims are true? What if LAPD is as corrupt as he says, and the dept. black-balled him and his career? Did he have anywhere else to turn? What would you do if the place you worked conspired to destroy your life and you ran out of appeals?

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#822016 - 02/11/13 04:05 PM Re: Drones strikes on US soil? [Re: Salmo g.]
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I find it interesting that th LA police have re-opened the Dorner termination investigation.
I don't condone his tactics, killing a police Captain's daughter was beyond the call of common sense, but if he really was screwed by the system he certainly has a legitimate grudge. And apparently no path of recourse.

I think we will learn more about his motives as time passes.

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#822101 - 02/11/13 09:36 PM Re: Drones strikes on US soil? [Re: Illyrian]
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Who trusts Obama?

raise your hands.

rofl
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#822264 - 02/12/13 12:46 PM Re: Drones strikes on US soil? [Re: ParaLeaks]
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Originally Posted By: Slab Happy
I agree with Sky-Guy 100%.

We already use IR cameras in choppers.......what's the diff?


+1

I wonder how it was when they could look for bad guys with a car instead of on horse or foot? I'm cool with it if they only use it for searching.
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