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#826038 - 02/28/13 09:50 PM State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional
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when it comes to requiring that the Legislature agree to raise taxes.
Period.

Sooooooo......Lots of folks are saying, "Let's make a Constitutional Amendment to legalize the 2/3 requirement."

Cool, right?

Ahhhhh......not exactly. You see, it takes a 2/3 majority to Amend the Constitution..

WTF??
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#826051 - 02/28/13 10:12 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: ParaLeaks]
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Slab,

This is pretty complicated. You need to both read and understand the Constitution.

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#826058 - 02/28/13 10:40 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: ]
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Salmo:
Complicated for slabby is matching socks after pulling them out of the dryer.

Don't waste your time.



You might want to consider backing off the criticizing of others when it comes to "matching" anything, at least until you figure out what exactly you are/were/would like to be, but probably aren't....
you get the picture.

Regardless the result..... a waste of time.
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#826073 - 02/28/13 11:27 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: FishPrince
For those of you who think that a simple majority is fair, don't understand how the legislature is dominated by Seattle. You see, there are a lot of liberal hipsters in Seattle who give a lot of money to liberal tax and spend democratic politicians, however these liberal douchenuggets are in safe seats so really don't need to campaign. So they give the money to democrats in mostly republican districts, often outspending the locally raised money to 10 times or more--essentially buying the seats. So the people who live in the Seattle area have their ideas about government disproportionaly over represented in the state legislature while the rest of the state is disproportionaly under represented.

We give the legislature an unlimited line of credit backed by our property, our labor, our lives and our children's, so shouldn't they have a broad consensus on this line of credit? Is 51% really fair, especially when Seattle has gamed the system and has more influence in the state than it rightfully ought to? 2/3rds seems fair to me, bring on the amendment.


Yeah, that representative democracy is a biotch. King County has about 1/2 the population of the State and therefore has about 1/2 of the representation. Funny how that works.

Anyone that understands the Washington State Constitution understands that the 2/3 rule was and is unconstitutional. I would love to see Eyman have to pay for the costs of this lawsuit. He knew it was unconstitutional when he proposed the initiative but he went forward anyway. 2 reasons:

1. He wants to send a "message" to Olympia.
2. He makes his living as a professional Initiative proposer.

I wonder which reason is more important.....
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#826079 - 02/28/13 11:34 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: eddie]
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Don't worry Eddie, the WEA footed the bill for the lawsuit and they have really deep pockets.

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#826181 - 03/01/13 11:49 AM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: ]
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I'll listen to your high on the hog "level playing field" about the libs here in the Seattle, the very moment all your beloved rural counties stop taking all our tax money.

If, as most rural counties which vote republican seem to advocate, you lived within your own means, you'd be much more credible.
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#826188 - 03/01/13 12:29 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: IrishRogue]
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I'm not worried. Gov Inslee campaigned that he will not raise any taxes rofl
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#826228 - 03/01/13 03:25 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: ]
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What you're telling me is that the rural conservatives are too dumb to vote thoughtfully; they let money sway their vote.

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#826265 - 03/01/13 04:49 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: ]
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Yup. I've said it once, and I'll say it again: Ugly strikes one in three; stupid three in five. Hence, the two-party system is alive and well, and three out of five still think it works.

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#826299 - 03/01/13 09:20 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: ]
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tax distribution 2011 and 2012


Rural counties do what again?
Look at Seattle
You just might want to think about where the industries are located.......I know they are located where you go play on the weekends, eh, home boy?

edit: not directed at you, Hank


Edited by Slab Happy (03/01/13 09:21 PM)
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#826416 - 03/02/13 12:00 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: ParaLeaks]
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Slab, nice try but that's just use/sales taxes.

Last data I saw which was comprehensive was this chart:
http://www.thestranger.com/binary/ea57/CityLead-CLICK.jpg

Enjoy
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#826426 - 03/02/13 01:18 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: ]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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It cuts both ways, Hank. I-90 doesn't turn to dirt because the taxes collected from city folk payed for it to be a paved interstate highway.

This whole argument is silly, really. But that's what politicians do - keep the us vs. them, DNC vs. RNC, city vs. country argument going so nobody notices what a piss-poor job they do of running this country.
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#826434 - 03/02/13 02:04 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: Dan S.]
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Originally Posted By: Dan S.
.....But that's what politicians do - keep the us vs. them, DNC vs. RNC, city vs. country argument going so nobody notices what a piss-poor job they do of running this country.


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#826487 - 03/02/13 07:36 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: Mingo]
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Classic reply Hank. Classic.

So you admit that for all your griping about King County liberals, and the welfare state that it represents, that in fact the actual welfare counties voting republican. I have this to say to them: LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS.

Your I90 example would be maybe a little interesting if in fact it wasn't substantially funded by federal dollars.
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#826519 - 03/02/13 10:56 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: ]
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I never knew you were such a socialist, Hank. It's nice that you're a progressive when the people benefiting look and vote like you do.

The party affiliation point is the colors of the chart I posted... The entire point is that the allegedly "anti-freeloader" voters are themselves the biggest freeloaders in our state.


Edited by IrishRogue (03/02/13 10:58 PM)
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#826577 - 03/03/13 10:33 AM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: ]
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IR is out in left field on this one.....way out in left field......but like most things, it doesn't mean he'll see the light.
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#826580 - 03/03/13 11:01 AM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: ParaLeaks]
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It makes no sense whatsoever to have this discussion devolve into a classis "us vs. them" circle jerk. IR's chart is correct, without Seattle and King County the rest of the State would suffer in the basic services that Hank outlines. The rural counties do not have as much representation in the Legislature because of proportional representation. More citizens, more representatives.

What is more important is that if the citizens of this State want to put constraints (a supermajority) on the Legislature in raising taxes, a Constitutional Amendment must be enacted. Rather than trying to prove a point about liberals and conservatives, maybe we should work on that....
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#826604 - 03/03/13 12:36 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: ]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Not surprisingly, his point was sailing 10 feet over your bald head while you were chuckling about it, Einstein.
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#826608 - 03/03/13 12:46 PM Re: State Supreme say 2/3 majority is Unconstitutional [Re: ]
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzing!! rofl
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