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#829550 - 03/18/13 01:20 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: goharley]
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I would say the comment has to do with the children present not the act. I think anyone who wants to be done........Be done. Who am I to say you can not but don't go pull the trigger in front of children and make them live with that for the rest of their lives.


That part is cowardly if it is truely what happened.
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#829551 - 03/18/13 01:31 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: docspud]
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Goharley. The guy took his own life in public, in front of a classroom full of people, where kids where supposedly present. Thats cowardly.
If you want to kill yourself, do it in your own home... Better yet, don't do it at all, but still. Going to a gun safety class and doing it in front of people was a cowardly thing to do...
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#829553 - 03/18/13 02:17 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: Rossiman]
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I get the point about the children, but that's not cowardly, per se, it's just bad judgement.
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#829557 - 03/18/13 02:55 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: goharley]
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In my opinion, suicide is both a selfish and cowardly act... no matter who commits it...

that said...

there is no reason to hurt a grieving friend/relative by calling their loved one a selfish coward to their face... some things are better left unsaid...

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#829580 - 03/18/13 06:15 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: ]
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Had two family members, a few clients, and three friends leave this way. I don't agree with their reasoning, and I think their decisions were extremely selfish, especially after seeing the destruction left in the wake of their deaths. At least all but one had the decency to keep it a private affair, and not do it in front of anyone.

Dick decided to shoot himself in front of his wife, and a number of officers. I thought that was rather uncalled for. At least he didn't make them shoot him.
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#829582 - 03/18/13 06:16 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck S.
A terminally ill person who lives in pain daily is one thing; but this isn't the case and to do it in front of others, especially kids is cowardly at least in my worthless opinion.
You don't know that to be the case, unless you are privy to information the rest of us are not concerning the reasons for taking his own life. I do agree that doing so in front of others unaffiliated showed poor judgement.
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#829606 - 03/18/13 09:08 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: goharley]
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Originally Posted By: goharley
Really? Did you know this guy personally? How do you know he wasn't diagnosed with a terminal illness that the cost of treatment would have put his family in dire financial straits? Perhaps taking his own life provided financial security for his wife and kids; bravest thing he could have done. My point is, if you don't know the particular circumstances behind why someone chooses to take their own life, you shouldn't label them as cowardly.

Weren't there several people associated with this board that took their own life? One I believe was quite well like, if not revered. Is he labeled a spineless coward as well, too? Or another that used to post here (banned on several occasions), whose son took his own life... I doubt you'd call his son a spineless coward to his face.

Just sayin'.


If you think it's such a noble act, maybe you should try it. Don't be so fvcking stupid.
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#829609 - 03/18/13 09:23 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: fish4brains]
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#829612 - 03/18/13 09:52 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: Sol Duc]
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IMO, suicide is always selfish, it may be the best choice in some cases....but to do it in front of an audience is another matter. Martyrdom in the extreme. "Pooor me" to the max. A good friend of mine took himself out with a shotgun.....was dying of cancer and didn't want to spend his savings on medical bills when his family was in need. His family of course would not have approved. I can respect that. No audience. That is why I say sometimes it's the best choice.......

The SOB that this thread is about was the "poor me" loser who now has caused a lot of crap for others to deal with......sickening.
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#829627 - 03/18/13 10:41 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: ParaLeaks]
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Hmmm, how interesting. Some of you sure didn't have these same attitudes back in early May of 2011.
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#829676 - 03/19/13 12:52 AM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: ]
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Ah, reality.... I had to tell my toddler sons that their mother--my wife--had died. I've handed flags to widows and grieving mothers.

I know reality; and I've been around long enough to know you cannot pass rash judgement concerning someone's actions without a glimpse of their motivation. Hell, it's one of the tenets of our judicial system.

I did not mean to imply that family member(s) he may have had would not be affected. I merely challenged your assertion that the man was a coward when you don't know anything about him.
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#829738 - 03/19/13 08:18 AM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: goharley]
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Originally Posted By: goharley
Hmmm, how interesting. Some of you sure didn't have these same attitudes back in early May of 2011.


My attitude has not changed pre or post May 2011.
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#829745 - 03/19/13 09:37 AM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: fish4brains]
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Funny.......how different people see cowardice and heroism differently.

........just thinking out loud.......
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#829755 - 03/19/13 10:23 AM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: ParaLeaks]
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Originally Posted By: Slab Happy
Funny.......how different people see cowardice and heroism differently.
The definitions are constant, however, one shouldn't assign a label until the facts are known.
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#829782 - 03/19/13 12:03 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: goharley]
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Originally Posted By: goharley
Originally Posted By: Slab Happy
Funny.......how different people see cowardice and heroism differently.
The definitions are constant, however, one shouldn't assign a label until the facts are known.


A hero would not consider affecting other people negatively through their actions.
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#829818 - 03/19/13 03:19 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: fish4brains]
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Do you know for certain whether that man considered what affect his actions would have on others? My guess is no, you do not, you're merely speculating.

Interesting, though, that if your premise is a hero's actions never negatively impact others, do you advocate removing hero status of war veterans? Surely you can agree that whatever actions a war hero took negatively affected the loved ones of those he fought against. So either your premise is unsupportable, or there are stipulations to heroism of which I'm not aware.
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#829881 - 03/19/13 06:48 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: goharley]
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Originally Posted By: goharley
Do you know for certain whether that man considered what affect his actions would have on others? My guess is no, you do not, you're merely speculating.

Interesting, though, that if your premise is a hero's actions never negatively impact others, do you advocate removing hero status of war veterans? Surely you can agree that whatever actions a war hero took negatively affected the loved ones of those he fought against. So either your premise is unsupportable, or there are stipulations to heroism of which I'm not aware.



The thread is about suicide, not a soldier's actions during conflict. Stop trying to twist it to fit your weird agenda.
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#829885 - 03/19/13 06:54 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: fish4brains]
Piper
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its a strawman arguement and not a very good one... As Dan S can surely testify, the only thing good about a strawman is they only take a spark and they burn really f'n big evil

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#829915 - 03/19/13 07:54 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: ]
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I wouldn't be hard on GH, seriously. I know where he works, and who he works with, good folks under huge amounts of stress of the worst kind. I'm pretty certain he has seen much more than his fair share of incidents like this, maybe not necessarily in person, but he certainly has experienced the collateral damage afterwards on a firsthand basis.

Hopefully Rick, you weren't upset by any of my specific comments.

Take care.

Suicide may be painless for the person committing the act, but it takes a toll on those left to pick up the pieces.
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#829918 - 03/19/13 08:04 PM Re: Suicide at Bellevue Range [Re: Dogfish]
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Thanks Andy. I'm done with this one.
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