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#837883 - 05/08/13 01:35 PM Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research
Sol Duc Offline
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Right about the same time when conceal carry started to become popular, think the lamestream media will report this? crazy


http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/
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#838029 - 05/09/13 01:25 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: Sol Duc]
Salmo g. Offline
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My lamestream liberally biased newspaper printed a long column featuring this story. Probably wasn't the only one that did. So what's your gripe?

Also, there isn't any evidence that I know of indicating concealed carry as a causal factor. Correlation does not equal causation, remember?

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#838036 - 05/09/13 02:42 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: Salmo g.]
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I love how Duc thinks it's concealed carry. He's almost sure.

Discounting the equally (or more) likely theories:
a) It's the Brady Bill (that passed in 1993)
b) It's a cultural shift after the World Trade Center bombing (March 93)
c) The internet became super popular and people spent more time indoors
d) Frank Zappa died.

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#838037 - 05/09/13 02:45 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: IrishRogue]
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I became a deputy in 1994. That's what really caused the decline.
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#838039 - 05/09/13 02:49 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: Dogfish]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
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Sol Dunce, it's been reported in every paper, and on every news show this week...where'd you get it? Super Secret Wingnut Email Chain? If you paid attention to something other than wondering who to hate today and who's trying to steal your Wheaties today you'd have noticed that.

You'd have also likely noticed that about ten thousand things have changed since 1993, and that the rise of concealed carry likely has as much to do with it as you and a Mensa meeting have in common.

Fish on...

Todd
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#838041 - 05/09/13 03:28 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: ]
IrishRogue Offline
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Yeah, but that Duke professor doesn't agree with my gut feeling, so I ignore him.
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#838042 - 05/09/13 03:29 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: Sol Duc]
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Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Right about the same time when conceal carry started to become popular, think the lamestream media will report this?


Please note that the quote above, is the question that elicited these responses

S.g. said, "My lamestream liberally biased newspaper printed a long column featuring this story. Probably wasn't the only one that did. So what's your gripe? The question was, will they report that there was a statistical link with a rise in concealed carry numbers and the reduction in gun violence.

S.G. also said, "Also, there isn't any evidence that I know of indicating concealed carry as a causal factor. Correlation does not equal causation, remember?" I did not see where S.D. made a claim that the link was causal.

I.R. said, "I love how Duc thinks it's concealed carry. He's almost sure." Perhaps you should try it.

I'm going to skip Todds response, as he seems slightly more moody than usual, perhaps it's his time.

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#838047 - 05/09/13 03:50 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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I sincerely doubt anyone reported an actual link between concealed carry and reduced gun violence...well, no one except Sol Dunce.

If the question he's really asking is why no one but his super secret wingnut email chain reported it...it's because it's not a fact.

If you read the article nowhere does it posit that theory...and it posits a lot of theories...including researchers who say that the establishment of Roe v. Wade has reduced unwanted pregnancies and at risk children who are more likely to become criminals.

I wonder if Sol Dunce's dumbass-stream media reported that?

Fish on...

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#838048 - 05/09/13 03:53 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: Todd]
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#838084 - 05/09/13 09:36 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27840
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: Natron


I'm sure Sol Dunce is happy to know that there are some alternative news outlets out there like NBC News to put out that information that the Lamestream Media just won't report on.

Fish on...

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#838089 - 05/09/13 10:11 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: Todd]
Brant Offline
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Registered: 12/09/03
Posts: 399
Loc: Seattle
Seems that this story came out in the "lamestream" media on Tuesday. Sol Duc posts about it late Wednesday apparently having only heard about the story from his right wing sources days later. Maybe Sol Duc needs a new news source that is more up to date.

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#838093 - 05/09/13 10:17 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: Brant]
ParaLeaks Offline
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Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10363
Loc: Olypen
jfc

you tolerant libs are shining bright again.......never ends does it?

tell me.....wtf difference does it make?

I'm going with the cause as the Andy/badge thing.
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#838097 - 05/09/13 10:29 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: ParaLeaks]
Salmo g. Offline
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Blackmouth,

No, they didn't report the statistical link. They did not say why, but I reasonably speculate that they didn't report any factors that correlated but did not seem causal. Responsible reporting would include significant factors, not insignificant ones.

Slab,

It was SD's inference of a connection between concealed carry and the gun crime reduction. He's the one who posited that it made a difference, and several of us responded that evidence doesn't support it. The real difference is that we pointed out that SD once again made a stupid post, not that he likely cares, or that you do either, I guess.

Sg

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#838099 - 05/09/13 10:33 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: Salmo g.]
ParaLeaks Offline
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You are right, I don't care.....
Name all who have made stupid posts.....go ahead.
I have a brain, so do others......do you think (like Todd) that all need to be guided into your belief stream?

Let it be.
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#838100 - 05/09/13 10:34 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: Salmo g.]
Natron
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read between the lines people... jesus

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#838101 - 05/09/13 10:36 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: ParaLeaks]
Salmo g. Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
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Slab,

It's not about guiding anyone into my belief stream. That would make life boring, and possibly imperfect. What it is about is avoiding the suggestion of a correlative factor being a causitive one when it isn't. This would be called using critical thinking skills, something that people who can think, think is a good idea.

Sg

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#838103 - 05/09/13 10:43 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: Salmo g.]
ParaLeaks Offline
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Registered: 01/11/03
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Loc: Olypen
LOL.......

I don't know if I'm laughing at you or not.....

Do you think that all who hear your words, hear what you say?

I'm quite sure you understand my question......
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#838128 - 05/10/13 01:14 AM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: Salmo g.]
blackmouth Offline
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Registered: 11/05/04
Posts: 2573
Loc: right place/wrong time
Sol Duc's original question was, "Right about the same time when conceal carry started to become popular, think the lamestream media will report this?"
S.G.'s first response was,"My lamestream liberally biased newspaper printed a long column featuring this story. Probably wasn't the only one that did. So what's your gripe?"

Either your answer was a deliberate obfuscation or you didn't understand the question, and your response to my statement, regarding your query did nothing to clear this matter up.
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#838214 - 05/10/13 06:01 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: ]
ParaLeaks Offline
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Thanks for the refresher, Honey.

You could use a few more in other arenas, you know?

Your "short cummings" are many.

Just being helpful.


Edited by Slab Happy (05/10/13 06:01 PM)
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#838227 - 05/10/13 07:02 PM Re: Gun Violence down 49% since 1993 - Pew Research [Re: ]
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Have yersef another "pour me", Sweetheart. And grow up. New material may help. Don't count on it, though. The pile of self pity you've buried yourself in is pretty deep.......need a straw to catch your breath?

You really love me, don't you? Admit it, Bitch! rofl
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