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#847502 - 07/12/13 12:35 AM Re: Good article on the proposed Sky dam. [Re: ]
Salman Offline
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Registered: 03/07/12
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Maybe they should just let the fish trap rot away and not build a dam.
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Why build in the flood plain?

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#851698 - 08/10/13 03:23 PM Re: Good article on the proposed Sky dam. [Re: Salman]
Illahee Offline
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Registered: 05/22/05
Posts: 3776
WDFW describes over 75% of PS fish habitat has been compromised, how is building more dams going to help?
Or have you all just thrown in the towel on that deal?

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#853099 - 08/20/13 12:09 PM Re: Good article on the proposed Sky dam. [Re: Illahee]
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Registered: 02/24/11
Posts: 255
Loc: whale pass
@Curt

so I went and looked at numbers on Sunset falls. I couldn't find a budget number, maybe you can help there.

after review I think I found a way to think about this that works for my brain and morals at least.

the south fork Skykomish above sunset falls, will from now on in my mind be classified a hatchery. a 50 year old experimental hatchery.

hows it doing, I don't know. last year it produced 500 Chinook, 600 summer run steelhead, and (gulp) 20 000 coho.

those numbers work out to more summer steelhead than reiter ponds did last year, double (you read that correct) the number of coho that wallace river hatchery did, but it failed miserably in Chinook, producing about 1/12th the fish the "traditional hatchery" did.

now that's one year. I am sure it had its ups and downs over its past. but depending on the budget that's an impressive year.

while I am a nature first type person, that understands hatcheries are needed currently, I have been looking for a better hatchery for a long time. it warrants more research. but I may have found a cause.

it kind of sucks because I hated the truck around the damn policy on the cowlitz. I was dead set against it.... maybe its not so bad after all. I would even be willing to bet the influx of nutrients from the sea helps the native trout population... I hate being wrong....

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#854691 - 08/30/13 03:21 PM Re: Good article on the proposed Sky dam. [Re: cncfish]
Salmo g. Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13722
cncfish,

Sucks to discover that many things aren't so simple after all, doesn't it?

Should anadromy above Sunset Falls be terminated because it isn't natural? If so, why? Who says? And why?

A large part of this planet isn't "natural" any longer. Should everything be restored to its natural state? Again, why, and who says so? Not to mention that most change is beyond our ability to restore, at least within human time frames.

Sg

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#854859 - 08/31/13 09:17 PM Re: Good article on the proposed Sky dam. [Re: Salmo g.]
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Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7905
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Are anadromous fish inherantly more valuable than residents? If so, why? Salmo's question actually hits a lot of resource issues.

Just because wolves were there should they be brought back? Aren't a few marbled Murrelets enough?

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