I HAVE USED OVER 5000 VISION HOOKS THIS YEAR AND HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH STRENGHT OR SHARPNESS.I CAN SAY WE HAVE CAUGHT OVER 200 STEELHEAD ON THEM AND MAYBE LOST 1/2 DOZEN.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK SUPERFLY IS JUST A SALESMAN YOUR WRONG .HE SPENDS MORE TIME ON THE RIVER THAN ANYONE I KNOW. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT JUST TALK FISHING , GAMMI MIGHT BE THE BEST FOR YOU .FOR THOSE THAT FISH A LOT VISION HOOKS ARE THE BEST FOR THE MONEY!!
HOOKEM GUIDE SERVICE


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5000 hooks this season???

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Tight Lines!!

Yes Dick, he has used at least that many hooks, they boondog, and when your doing that with 3 to 5 clients in the boat at one time you can really rip through the leaders, plus they all fish double # 4's when fishing that way. As a hook supplier to these guys I absolutley love them, it is great for business. They also catch a hell of alot of fish. I would definatley book a trip with them if you have never fished this way before, a definate kick in the ass. Take Care
Superfly

Hookem, "caught 200 fish, lost maybe half a dozen" You are full of sh*t! So you are saying you lost only 1 fish for every 34 hooked? hmm, I believe that.

You only lost 6 fish all year??? Do you measure them with a bedroom scale, too?? Ya know, 8 inches is really 4 inches, etc.. Everyone quickly, put your chest waders on, the shit is piling up REALLY fast on this topic.

P.S.-- If you went through 5000 hooks to land 200 fish, that's 25 hooks per fish landed. OUCH!!! No wonder you use cheap hooks.


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im a guide on the lower quinault river and have been using vision hooks this year and have had no problems with them at all!havent had any complaints from my clients either(just ordered 500 more!)i hear lots of stories, and people say they have broke or bent hooks,how? on a snag? if so at least you got the corkie back right??

Some of the morons on this site kill me. First of all I fish with HOOKEM (david lee)at least once a week and some times two days a week.I no of 4 separete days in the last two weeks when we hooked 10+ natives on the Snohomish system and we did not see another fish caught.As far as vision is concerned they are not the hook that the gammies are but for the dollar you cant beat them ,I personely went through close to 2500 of them myself.And yes david did use over 5000 of them.I think you people that are questioning superfly and davids integridy are jelous. I know for a fact that superfly caught over 1000 salmon last fall and and more steelhead this winter than the vast majorty of the people on this site.He dosn"t just talk out of his ass he backs it up with knoweldge and ability.SO I hope the next time some of you open your mouth you know who and what your talking about.

I've never used the hooks but I have done some free drifting and you can lose alot of hooks in 1 day!

I haven't jumped into this one to call B.S. up until this point. I've tried Vision hooks since its inception (hand-honed and dipped) to its current incarnation (chemically sharpened overseas). Personally, I preferred the former product, because of its quality and unique colors (I had good success using the dull orange finish for summer and fall kings). I will admit though, due to the relatively high price of Gamakatsu, the current Vision product has found a niche in the market. Also, as a former QC technician that used to grade seafood products from China and Russia, I can understand the quality control issues from any products coming from Asia and Eastern Europe.

But, 1000 salmon during the fall??? Now I consider myself a member of the proverbial "10 percent," and I've had awesome years where I've gone through ten to twelve salmon punchcards. But, 1000 in a 2-3 month period!!! These kinds of claims just make me question the integrity of the individual, and consequently the product as well.

Peace Out...

The disussion has taken an a turn in the wrong direction. It's gone from a hook debate to a fish-landing debate.

The way I see is this. Guides who boondog use ass-loads of hooks. I fish with Sean Orr quite a bit, and he literally has lawn & leaf sized garbage bags of pre-tied leaders ready. That's a TON of hooks. Superfly says Sean uses Visions, and the the sheer number of hooks he goes through, I can see why. I've never had a problem with his hooks, always tacky-sharp.

I personally don't go through 1/10th the hooks he does, so it's not a bank-breaker for me to shell out for Gammies. If Vision gets their QC problems worked out, I might start using them, but I get the feeling that the associated costs of getting the QC to an acceptable level may bring the price of Vision's a little closer to that of Gammies.

As for the rest of the stuff about numbers hooked/landed, just know that guides and their clients do hook many more fish than most guys ever do, so they have a pretty good feel for the gear they use. Not to say that some of us don't land lots of fish, but most of us don't head to the river with 6 rods and hundreds of leaders ready to go.

Anyway, maybe we should spare the BB the posts calling BS. If you feel a guy may be stroking himself, just thinking he's full of it is good enough. Posting a response saying so just gets everybody riled up.


Fish on..........

Man, I never thought one post would go this crazy , but I guess that is good, kind of like democrats and republicans. Yes I fish alot, august through the end of november I was on the water about 4 to 5 days a week, in the early am and then in the evenigs as well. The best way to decide if you had a good day fishing, besides catching fish is if you learned something new , And if have and it helped you catch more fish or a fish then it was a sucessful day. My motto, I can learn something from every fisherman out there because there are alot of good ones. the next thing I have learned is the crazyness that can be stirred up with controversial post on the big BB's site. I will see you all soon on the steps of the capitol! peace superfly

Dan no need to play peacemaker. I don't have a problem with Joe and Vision Hooks per se. My reply was merely a "nice" reactionary post to the dude with the condescending attitude. While I don't know Marty and Mike K. personally, we've been discussing steelhead/salmon issues and techniques for over a year now. So when some dude that has only posted a half dozen times calls them "morons," I felt compelled to say something. It's like when we all jumped NoodleRodder for his inappropriate comment last year.

Anyway, just because free drifter "hooked" ten on the Snohomish system, are we supposed to be impressed? All of a sudden he has clout? "I have traveled the world and successfully conquered its greatest gamefish: tarpon, taimen, and the mighty mahseer!!!" now I suppose I have clout for saying this.

freedrifter you're totally contradictory. In one sentence you mention integrity. In the next you claim Joe caught "OVER 1000 salmon last fall."

Now Joe, I don't doubt you are a badass fisher. But, you say you fish 4-5 days per week during Aug, Sept, Oct and Nov. If indeed you landed over 1000 salmon, at the very least you averaged over 15 per day. This means on those days when the conditions were poor and you got skunked, you'd have to make it up the next time with a thirty-fish day, landed. If you say you are a dedicated chum slayer and chase the dogs everyday, then this number may have some merit. But this I highly doubt. Besides, last year sucked for chums.

free drifter, as a fellow fisher I too have been guilty of inflating my or my buddies' catch numbers. But please don't claim B.S. catch numbers and use it in tandem with an "I am better than you" attitude. Veteran members of this board have seen these kinds of attitudes and rejected them long ago.

Hey evrybody lets get back to the topic of hooks. To hohwaiian, I envy the fact that you have traveled abroad and caught all those cool fish. I can't wait until my business is at the point to were I can do that. Maybe you can help me out , What styles of hooks do they use for tarpon and snook and drum and all those other fish they catch in those regions? Thanks superfly

I think the discussion of hooks has long ended. It has become a who-is-who debate. Superfly no offense, but you are a salesman of vision hooks and should learn to take a few negative comments of your product, and not go on the offensive, when you get one and try to discredit the person saying the comment. Use these comments to perhaps address potential concerns. This thread should be closed.