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#898565 - 06/25/14 08:48 AM is this good or bad for us
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http://rt.com/usa/168248-us-allows-crude-oil-export/

check out how much fuel is being exported
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#898577 - 06/25/14 01:53 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: larryb]
FleaFlickr02 Offline
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Good for corporate America; bad for American consumers. Sounds like the basic criteria for all new legislation in Washington have been met with this one. A real no-brainer.

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#898580 - 06/25/14 02:28 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: FleaFlickr02]
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I thought all this increased drilling and pipelines were all so we could have lower priced gas at home?

Yeah...right.

Same as if the XL pipeline gets built...oil straight to Louisiana, then straight to Asia from there...and the price of our domestic fuel continues to rise.

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#898581 - 06/25/14 02:37 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: Todd]
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Maybe we should all vote democratic so that'll change wink
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#898584 - 06/25/14 02:59 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: BroodBuster]
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Next time I hear some politician whining about US energy independence being a reason to drill for oil in some pristine environment or building a new pipeline I will know he is a corporate whore for one or another bloated oil corporation looking to increase the bottom line by exporting American oil to the world market. Lower fuel costs or energy independence for Americans is not the least of concern........but I knew that already.

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#898587 - 06/25/14 03:04 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
Maybe we should all vote democratic so that'll change wink


And hopefully one day they'd allow me to make $20/hour. wink


Edited by wntrrn (06/25/14 03:14 PM)
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#898593 - 06/25/14 03:34 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: ]
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Energy independence is the number one national security issue.

Shipping our energy to Asia runs directly counter to that, no matter who does it...just make sure when people start talking about "jobs", "energy independence", and they vote for or work for those who will ship the oil/gasoline/natural gas right out of the country that you tell them that they are liars.

Because that is exactly what they are.

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#898597 - 06/25/14 04:13 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: ]
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Exporting oil is not inherently bad...but supporting pipelines and increased drilling to "lower prices" and "create jobs" here in America is a baldfaced lie...it's to make money, doesn't create schit for jobs, and does not lower prices in the least.

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#898600 - 06/25/14 04:24 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: Todd]
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Yer right as usual Todd , making money does not create jobs. Your president has proven that all you have to do is fire up the printing presses and inflate equities . I think selling oil actually creates one or two jobs and the more you sell the more jobs it creates.
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#898601 - 06/25/14 04:26 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: Todd]
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Not to mention the environmental impact!

Today's oil fields is tomorrow's super fund site!

But hey this way the oil barrons and the enviro whackos can get rich.

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#898602 - 06/25/14 04:31 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: Us and Them]
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Fargo having 60k open positions and N Dakota having 2% unemployment = what?
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#898604 - 06/25/14 04:54 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: Us and Them]
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Great News!!!!!!! For Elon Musk
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#898605 - 06/25/14 04:55 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: Us and Them]
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Originally Posted By: 43-8
Fargo having 60k open positions and N Dakota having 2% unemployment = what?


I'd say that equals good news for North Dakota. Call me selfish, but I'm more interested in what it all adds up to for Washington.

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#898619 - 06/25/14 06:10 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hamster[/quote

Not much oil production in WA, but coal from MT and WY would have created jobs in Whatcom County


Coal doesn't create jobs. Demand for coal creates jobs. Coal exporters aren't creating anything except wealth for their shareholders. Joe Blow in the market to buy energy creates jobs related to coal mining/shipping/export/etc.

It might be nitpicking, but it is a significant difference - like the difference between 'demand' and 'quantity demanded'.
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#898645 - 06/25/14 08:25 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: ]
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Whoa! A deteriorating economic climate is just what Washington State needs in order to prevent Californication. Economic growth in North Dakota can be seen as a good thing for Washington.

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#898770 - 06/26/14 05:10 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: ]
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It's a work in progress. Much of it is reversible.

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#898829 - 06/26/14 08:35 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: ]
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Too true.
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#899120 - 06/30/14 01:53 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: ]
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Loc: Lake Samish
Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: FleaFlickr02
Originally Posted By: 43-8
Fargo having 60k open positions and N Dakota having 2% unemployment = what?


I'd say that equals good news for North Dakota. Call me selfish, but I'm more interested in what it all adds up to for Washington.

Not much oil production in WA, but coal from MT and WY would have created jobs in Whatcom County if the city council didn't put the coal port on hold.

From what I've read, the billionaire Steyer (who made his billions in coal and gas hedge funds), poured a couple hundred thousand dollars into the city council races to get people unfavorable to that port elected. No jobs was a direct result.

Things may have changed since I read that, so feel free to correct me if it's wrong.


It's easy for someone like you who doesn't live in Whatcom County to decide what's best for the locals.

The truth is, the terminal won't actually create many jobs. Some estimates I've seen have projected less than 2 dozen new jobs being created. Most of the labor would be brought in from other areas, similar to the way refineries operate.

Ever been downtown when a train rolls through? Now multiply that by 10. In order to accommodate a steady stream of trains, the City of Bellingham would have to revise many of the RR crossings because traffic could deadlock. This will cost millions that the taxpayers, who will not benefit from a terminal, must pay.

Regardless, residents of Bellingham and Whatcom County in general are highly opposed to a terminal and we essentially voted against more development. Sometimes what city or county residents want should have priority over what a coal company wants, and priority over people who think they know what's best for us when they live 1,000 miles away.

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#899165 - 06/30/14 06:34 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: ]
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So, in summary we have learned - Hank is an idiot and that coal and oil trains unsurprisingly make some serious coin for a few absentee one-tenth of one per-centers and burden a basically rural county with all the environmental degradation, and the 'hampsters get the bill. If you're rich with energy money, what's not to like?

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#899211 - 06/30/14 11:04 PM Re: is this good or bad for us [Re: ]
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From one idiot to another... Your a idiot Hank

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