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#901046 - 07/23/14 01:17 AM Silver Horde gets HACKED!
Sky-Guy Offline
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Loc: Everett
So, Im at a Sportmans Warehouse, persuing the aisle for things I know I dont need, and I see a new lure I just had to have only to take a picture of! If only... because it's a total knockoff of one of Silver Hordes tried and true best lures for Coho and Chinook: The Coho Killer.



WTF? Does this company have no shame? They might have well used one of those cloning machines from Star trek, I mean this thing is exactly like the Silver Horde lure except for a slightly different name. Arent there laws against this?

I'm throwing mine away after taking this picture, and I put a permanent VOODOO HEX on any and all of these lures on principle alone, because it's pretty low to knock off and copy another mans product like this.

Kelly M. and Silver Horde have supported

EVERY.

SINGLE.

DERBY.

Salmon for Soldiers!

and countless other local and regional programs with their lure sales.

Hey Sportmans folks. LAME! lame lame lame lame lame







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#901047 - 07/23/14 01:27 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Sky-Guy]
SRoffe Offline
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Private label agreement?


Edited by SRoffe (07/23/14 01:27 AM)
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#901048 - 07/23/14 01:31 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Sky-Guy]
SPUD Offline
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Registered: 04/03/04
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Loc: Woodinville, WA
Hey Riley,

I saw this also. Totally bull from a big dog Utah corporation.

Made in the USA from 1963 gets the screws from Sportmans Warehouse.

Kelly and Silver Horde gives everything to the PSA clubs and all the derbies for years. Now they maybe forced to lay off USA workers as a
huge ripoff is upon them.

It is just ethics and business morals ......I hope we can support the Pacific Northwest factories...

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#901049 - 07/23/14 01:33 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: SPUD]
SPUD Offline
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Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 202
Loc: Woodinville, WA
NO , there is not a Private Label issue.

Silver Horde got whacked!!!!

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#901050 - 07/23/14 01:38 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: SPUD]
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#901052 - 07/23/14 02:08 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: 5 * General Evo]
MPM Offline
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Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 766
Loc: Seattle, WA
This may or may not be perfectly legal. To the extent the design of their lures are functional, they would have a hard time claiming trade dress protection. If they have a patent, that's a different story.

If they need a good intellectual property attorney, I do know a guy...

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#901055 - 07/23/14 06:39 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: MPM]
Achewter Offline


Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 2276
Loc: N of Seattle
They will never see a dime of my money again. How these people sleep at night is beyond me. The names are a slap in the face. Silver Hordes Coho killer and King Fisher spoon are Sportsman's Coho fisher and King Killer. The paint patterns are even exact rip offs. Hope to see them out of business again Real Soon. Just say no and never again to Sportsman's' POS scum of the earth.
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#901057 - 07/23/14 10:55 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Achewter]
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Is there any chance that silver horde is packaging and selling them under sportsmans name?


It would be a dick move if not. Especially since sportsmans is main retailer of silver horde...

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#901060 - 07/23/14 11:30 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: ]
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Mebbe?

If so, I take it back.
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#901061 - 07/23/14 11:31 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: ]
bhudda Offline
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Registered: 04/06/11
Posts: 224
Loc: S River central
It's what's happening in the retail world..sell said product..If sells well..repackage and sell under there own label. .classic trader joes! A friend also just saw his version of a salt tied fly known thru out the PNW as his creation sold under a local emporium store under their label..lame! No patent no protection. .
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#901068 - 07/23/14 12:10 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: bhudda]
SPUD Offline
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Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 202
Loc: Woodinville, WA
I can assure you 1000% Silver Horde just got wind of the this rip-off.

They are steaming mad and discusted with the lack of morality of it all.

Silver Horde spends months of time and money testing products to release to the recreational angler. Made here in the PNW since the 60's.
Then they give away thousands of dollars to support the PSA anglers and all the derbies.

A Utah company then packs up their samples and sends them overseas to save a buck.

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#901069 - 07/23/14 12:17 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: SPUD]
Paul Smenis Offline
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Registered: 08/02/12
Posts: 1052
Loc: In a drift boat...
Sounds like the same tactics of another schitty manufacturer who's name rhymes with Brad's....Oops, I mean Rads....




Edited by Yak-Fresh (07/23/14 12:17 PM)
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#901070 - 07/23/14 12:44 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Paul Smenis]
FleaFlickr02 Offline
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Registered: 10/28/09
Posts: 3314
For sure, this sucks, but I find myself wondering why this particular instance of big business lying, cheating, and stealing to increase profits is so much more despicable than what they do every day, in every vertical.

For my part, I'll still buy the original. I make lots of questionable (more expensive) purchasing decisions with the sole intent of supporting small to medium-sized businesses. The ability to start (and maintain) one's own enterprise was what once made this the Land of Opportunity, and besides bringing manufacturing home, it's the only hope for the future of our middle class.

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#901071 - 07/23/14 12:49 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Paul Smenis]
stonefish Offline
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Registered: 12/11/02
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Didn't someone also produce a really poor knock off Silver Horde's highly successful Ace Hi Fly?
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#901072 - 07/23/14 12:49 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: FleaFlickr02]
STRIKE ZONE Offline
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Registered: 08/09/00
Posts: 12107
Loc: Hobart,Wa U.S.A
Ouch.Good luck,

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#901077 - 07/23/14 01:36 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: STRIKE ZONE]
Larry B Offline
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Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 3020
Loc: University Place and Whidbey I...
Being retired and a third generation Northwesterner (grandfather had the gall to be born in Astoria) I have had gear handed down to me as well as having collected stuff at various yard sales to add to a limited and haphazard collection of fishing tackle.

With that background I will offer that most current tackle is a permutation of earlier versions. If it works better it earns a place; if not, it goes away with no more than a whimper.

But this is a pretty egregious effort to duplicate existing successful design(s)/color(s) and name(s) and by doing so steps on a well established local small business which deserves our support.

There are plenty of other retail outlets selling Silver Horde and, in fact, virtually everything else Sportsman's Warehouse sells. Looks like it is time for me to make another stop at SH in Lynnwood.
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#901082 - 07/23/14 02:20 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Larry B]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 28170
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
The only thing that surprises me about this is that someone would be surprised by it.

Every single successful lure gets ripped off eventually. There are entire companies devoted to producing and selling knockoffs.

Brad's and Danielson come to mind immediately, and Luhr Jensen, too, but there are plenty more.

The only way to "trademark" your stuff is to get your branding so good that no one will buy the knockoffs...very, very few lures ever can get patented, and all will be ripped off by someone if they are any good.

Fish on...

Todd
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#901089 - 07/23/14 03:11 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Todd]
SPUD Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 202
Loc: Woodinville, WA
Todd,

Unfortunately you are right on.

It is just a sad case for such a great Northwest company. Could Silver Horde lay off some workers and move production out of the USA.
No doubt they could......However 1000% they will not !

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#901095 - 07/23/14 03:36 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: SPUD]
BroodBuster Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 07/11/04
Posts: 3113
Loc: Bothell, Wa
What Todd said!

When we were kids the only good spinners were Mepps as they held the patent on the clevis/blade design. That's why Rooster Tails and whatnot didn't use a clevis.

Then the patent expired around the late 70's (??) which is right about the time Blue Fox took that design and improved on it.

rvrfshr then improved on that.

Carry on...
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#901104 - 07/23/14 04:27 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: BroodBuster]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
There is a difference between different designs, or improvements/changes to existing ideas...that's where a lot of the innovation comes from...and just straight up ripping off something that's already there, and successful.

Orkie Drifter, anyone? A bit reminiscent of the Okie Drifter, eh? You can always tell the serious ripoffs by the name...they usually rip that off, too, and make a name that's similar to the original one. The intent is that you might not know the difference between the original and the ripoff when they have a similar name, too.


The Luhr Jensen "Lucky Knight"...it may or may not bear a resemblance to a different lure that may or may not have "Nite" in the name:


Just to be fair to Luhr Jensen, in addition to their massive inventory of totally ripped off lures, they, too, get their stuff ripped off by other companies.

There are at least a dozen knockoffs of the Kwikfish out there...but I'd say it's a pretty fair bet that a Kwikfish is just a knockoff of the original Flatfish.

Brad's Wiggler? Really?



Looks an awful lot like a Storm's Wiggle Wart to me...but Storm probably ripped someone else off to make theirs, too wink

The Kastmaster is a venerable casting lure...how about the "Cast Champ", again from Luhr Jensen?


The J-Plug looks a lot like a Tomic, The Shyster is exactly the same as a Rooster Tail...about five companies have made a lure exactly like a Rapala.

These are only the "mainstream" ripoff companies...there are literally dozens of off brands that you can only buy at KMart or Wal-Mart that are all ripoffs of everything, too.

The lure that started this thread...the knockoff of the Coho Killer...there are a couple other spoons out there right now that are exactly like that, too...that's not the only one.

The best way to protest this kind of stuff is to not buy the direct ripoffs!

Fish on...

Todd
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